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hey everyone welcome to the show i'm

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martin willis your host

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and tonight's guest is preston dennett

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now preston's been on

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a number of times and like i was telling

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him just prior to the show

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um the reason he's on a lot number one

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he writes a lot of books

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on this subject i think there's this is

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his 20th book

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and two uh he's a great guest um there's

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it out

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well um preston doesn't have that

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problem he tells uh

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in depth of some of these stories which

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are um quite incredible

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uh the book he has called wondrous it's

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true ufo encounters and there's some

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really bizarre

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ones in this one um it's a book a lot of

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people are buying already

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and uh so check that out that link is in

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the show notes

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as always and um next week we have zen

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benfido i don't know exactly how to say

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his last name

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he's been in touch with me since almost

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since i started the show now we're

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up to 460 shows at this point

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and uh speaking of shows you can't miss

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one coming up if you like the this topic

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in particular the berkshires ufo um

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unsolved mysteries really kind of opened

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as far as showing all the different

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witnesses and all that well

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that also that particular episode

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uh made a few people come forward that

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had kept it to themselves over the years

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well coming up on july

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6 we're going to have a five i i'm sorry

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so we're going to be doing it right

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abducted while we're doing her yeah or

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something like that

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will happen but we're going to be doing

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it right on location if the weather's

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fine we're going to be outdoors

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around a campfire i know it's going to

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be light but we're still going to be

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around that we're going to have some

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people there um i can't really announce

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the names yet because

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uh one person in particular um may or

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may not come if she's feeling well she

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and so it's gonna be a great one when we

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have someone flying up from the south

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that has never talked about it before we

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have two people that have never talked

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so that'll be july 6 don't miss it

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again we'll be on location right in the

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berkshires right where it happened

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so our guest tonight preston dennett

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again now this i believe it's his 20th

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bring him on though i want to talk about

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about um the blog it's the aguilera

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uh ufo in puerto rico that uh

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uh robert powell and so many people on

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have done some great research on that's

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the blog this this week

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and uh we are ready to go i'm gonna add

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our guest right now preston welcome to

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thanks martin thanks for having me on

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you bet preston

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you've been on i think this is probably

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uh you've been on this show and uh

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fun to have on and and you keep the show

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can you tell the though there i know you

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but there are some people that are just

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lot of email from people that are just

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uh topic because it's in the news so

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much so if you would please

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give your background and what got you

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interested in the topic to begin with

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did not want to hear about it i was

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1986 i was 21 years old i remember it

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november 17 i think it was i was

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and a report came on about a sighting

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but on the news report they just kind of

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uh laughed nervously said a few kind of

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moved on but i remember my brother had

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said he'd seen a ufo some years earlier

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seven or eight years before this so i

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tell me about that ufo you said you saw

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and he told me this incredible story

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about how he and his two friends

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chased this metallic craft colored

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watching it too

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it's like you don't believe me you know

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i ended up calling both of them and this

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big mistake diane someone i'd worked

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we live five minutes from the library we

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left at nine o'clock right when the

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and uh it followed us home the whole way

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i have no idea what happened at the time

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how it kind of all started i was

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not a happy camper i can tell you that

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and wha what did you do you know what

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action at that point as far as looking

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trying to figure it out uh i went

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to bookstores in the library i'm like

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i'm going to disprove these guys it's

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clearly swamp gas

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between a rock and a hard place but did

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you try to get like more information

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you know just trying to um

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i could not wrap my head around the idea

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couldn't i was shocked instead to find

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out that this was a subject taken very

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i'm still struggling with it to be

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honest um i just cannot let the subject

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well okay um so let's let's talk about

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yeah well i'm super excited about this

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book because these are all my own cases

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these are cases that no one's heard

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before they're unpublished

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till now and

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some of these are cases i've wanted to

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include for quite a while

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uh what i did for this book is i wanted

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to choose cases that i think

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have something to contribute to our

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understanding of this

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cases that are more extensive than just

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a simple sighting

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cases with a lot of credibility multiple

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witnesses

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a wide variety i wanted to include you

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know not just one type of encounter

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so i've got some really interesting

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sightings with

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telepathic contact i've got a few

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interesting landing cases

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i love landings because there's no

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chance of misperception when you're like

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right up next to one of these things

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also some whistleblower accounts some

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government whistleblower accounts

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a few that i've sat on for a while i

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just didn't have room in

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some of my other books my favorite of

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cases of face-to-face contact or people

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who are taken on board

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i think we've got a lot of pay dirt in

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those types of cases

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and uh what else oh yeah one really

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uso account unidentified submersible

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do that wrote a whole book on that and

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continue to get cases in this one case

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bizarre and unique i've never heard

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anything quite like it

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00:11:02,150 --> 00:11:00,720
and so these are these are great because

286
00:11:04,710 --> 00:11:02,160
these are all

287
00:11:05,829 --> 00:11:04,720
like apparently this is going to be

288
00:11:07,670 --> 00:11:05,839
first time heard

289
00:11:09,670 --> 00:11:07,680
cases basically right is that what

290
00:11:12,230 --> 00:11:09,680
you're basically saying

291
00:11:13,430 --> 00:11:12,240
yup yup i mean there a few of them did

292
00:11:15,990 --> 00:11:13,440
report to

293
00:11:18,150 --> 00:11:16,000
a website here or there like one lady

294
00:11:20,470 --> 00:11:18,160
did a reporter case to mufon

295
00:11:22,710 --> 00:11:20,480
uh but yeah these are all unpublished uh

296
00:11:26,550 --> 00:11:22,720
never appeared in a magazine or anything

297
00:11:29,110 --> 00:11:26,560
or book so yeah i'm well confident that

298
00:11:32,230 --> 00:11:29,120
no one's heard of any of these stories

299
00:11:34,949 --> 00:11:32,240
well let's hear let's uh let's hear uh

300
00:11:36,710 --> 00:11:34,959
about starting out if you wouldn't mind

301
00:11:39,670 --> 00:11:36,720
let's hear about that uso

302
00:11:41,350 --> 00:11:39,680
uh case those always intrigue me yeah

303
00:11:42,949 --> 00:11:41,360
yeah here let me get the date for you

304
00:11:44,389 --> 00:11:42,959
because uh

305
00:11:46,389 --> 00:11:44,399
so many cases it's hard for me to keep

306
00:11:49,190 --> 00:11:46,399
them straight but this one

307
00:11:51,110 --> 00:11:49,200
love this case i it has three witnesses

308
00:11:54,470 --> 00:11:51,120
i talked to two of them

309
00:11:57,350 --> 00:11:54,480
joy williams and her husband tom are the

310
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main witnesses there's a third witness

311
00:12:04,949 --> 00:12:02,160
and this took place in august of 1997.

312
00:12:05,670 --> 00:12:04,959
uh they were went out to dinner at their

313
00:12:07,190 --> 00:12:05,680
friend's house

314
00:12:09,590 --> 00:12:07,200
she invited them over to her house for

315
00:12:11,350 --> 00:12:09,600
dinner and her house

316
00:12:12,629 --> 00:12:11,360
well both of their houses but her house

317
00:12:15,590 --> 00:12:12,639
overlooks

318
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the monterey bay this is a really

319
00:12:20,230 --> 00:12:16,720
beautiful area

320
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on the coast of central california

321
00:12:25,750 --> 00:12:22,079
and monterey bay is really really deep

322
00:12:28,710 --> 00:12:25,760
by the way that might be a factor here

323
00:12:29,269 --> 00:12:28,720
at any rate they enjoyed the dinner uh

324
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and

325
00:12:33,110 --> 00:12:31,680
that you know after dinner joy decided

326
00:12:35,269 --> 00:12:33,120
to go out on the deck

327
00:12:36,150 --> 00:12:35,279
to just look at the view it's a really

328
00:12:38,949 --> 00:12:36,160
beautiful view

329
00:12:39,910 --> 00:12:38,959
of the bay uh the water is about a

330
00:12:42,949 --> 00:12:39,920
quarter mile

331
00:12:44,230 --> 00:12:42,959
away and they're high on the hill and

332
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she's looking down

333
00:12:48,550 --> 00:12:46,399
and sees this glow in the water this

334
00:12:51,509 --> 00:12:48,560
bright yellow kind of yellow green

335
00:12:53,750 --> 00:12:51,519
glow and lo and behold it's getting

336
00:12:56,790 --> 00:12:53,760
brighter and brighter and this object

337
00:12:58,870 --> 00:12:56,800
comes emerging out of the water

338
00:13:00,470 --> 00:12:58,880
and she can see it clearly it's covered

339
00:13:02,310 --> 00:13:00,480
in kelp seaweed

340
00:13:04,629 --> 00:13:02,320
kind of just streaming off the sides of

341
00:13:04,949 --> 00:13:04,639
it the water is streaming off the sides

342
00:13:08,150 --> 00:13:04,959
and

343
00:13:12,389 --> 00:13:08,160
comes up out of the water 50 100 feet

344
00:13:13,829 --> 00:13:12,399
or so it's clearly pretty large

345
00:13:15,590 --> 00:13:13,839
because at a quarter of a mile away as

346
00:13:18,870 --> 00:13:15,600
you can see it's sizeable

347
00:13:21,350 --> 00:13:18,880
object and it's just

348
00:13:23,269 --> 00:13:21,360
hovering there she calls out her husband

349
00:13:25,990 --> 00:13:23,279
tom her friend

350
00:13:27,030 --> 00:13:26,000
and uh they all see it she's a military

351
00:13:30,069 --> 00:13:27,040
brat by the way

352
00:13:32,310 --> 00:13:30,079
she knows her aircraft pretty well

353
00:13:34,230 --> 00:13:32,320
has never seen anything like this never

354
00:13:37,829 --> 00:13:34,240
had a ufo sighting before this

355
00:13:38,710 --> 00:13:37,839
none of them have and uh they have a

356
00:13:42,069 --> 00:13:38,720
telescope

357
00:13:43,189 --> 00:13:42,079
on the deck so they immediately go to

358
00:13:45,269 --> 00:13:43,199
the telescope and

359
00:13:46,870 --> 00:13:45,279
look at this thing through the telescope

360
00:13:49,110 --> 00:13:46,880
they can see it has

361
00:13:50,629 --> 00:13:49,120
portholes around the whole circumference

362
00:13:53,990 --> 00:13:50,639
large kind of

363
00:13:55,910 --> 00:13:54,000
oval portholes with alternating i think

364
00:13:59,509 --> 00:13:55,920
it was yellow and

365
00:14:03,829 --> 00:14:01,670
and you know they're pretty far away

366
00:14:05,509 --> 00:14:03,839
they didn't hear any noise

367
00:14:08,230 --> 00:14:05,519
uh so they couldn't really say whether

368
00:14:10,790 --> 00:14:08,240
or not this thing was making noise

369
00:14:12,230 --> 00:14:10,800
uh but as they watch it this thing

370
00:14:15,110 --> 00:14:12,240
starts to meander

371
00:14:16,069 --> 00:14:15,120
along the coastline heading making a b

372
00:14:19,350 --> 00:14:16,079
line really

373
00:14:22,230 --> 00:14:19,360
for the moss landing uh coal

374
00:14:23,910 --> 00:14:22,240
power plant this is located right on the

375
00:14:27,670 --> 00:14:23,920
shoreline there

376
00:14:30,629 --> 00:14:27,680
and it has two really tall 200 foot tall

377
00:14:32,150 --> 00:14:30,639
smoke stacks right next to each other

378
00:14:35,030 --> 00:14:32,160
and this thing goes straight

379
00:14:35,990 --> 00:14:35,040
for these smoke stacks and parks right

380
00:14:39,030 --> 00:14:36,000
alongside

381
00:14:39,829 --> 00:14:39,040
the top of one of the smoke stacks and

382
00:14:43,350 --> 00:14:39,839
just

383
00:14:46,150 --> 00:14:43,360
stays there so they're freaking out

384
00:14:46,629 --> 00:14:46,160
uh the host was really upset uh but they

385
00:14:49,670 --> 00:14:46,639
were all

386
00:14:52,230 --> 00:14:49,680
sort of freaking out about this they all

387
00:14:54,470 --> 00:14:52,240
felt like it was watching them that it

388
00:14:56,790 --> 00:14:54,480
knew they were observing it

389
00:14:58,230 --> 00:14:56,800
that made him a little nervous and

390
00:15:01,189 --> 00:14:58,240
here's where it just went from

391
00:15:02,870 --> 00:15:01,199
strange to truly bizarre and i've never

392
00:15:04,870 --> 00:15:02,880
heard of anything like this i'm not sure

393
00:15:06,629 --> 00:15:04,880
what to make of it

394
00:15:08,710 --> 00:15:06,639
because i do have cases and i know of

395
00:15:10,829 --> 00:15:08,720
many cases where ufos have hovered over

396
00:15:11,990 --> 00:15:10,839
power plants you know nuclear power

397
00:15:16,550 --> 00:15:12,000
stations

398
00:15:18,310 --> 00:15:16,560
that's not unusual

399
00:15:20,550 --> 00:15:18,320
and that that's exactly what was

400
00:15:23,750 --> 00:15:20,560
happening here but this

401
00:15:27,269 --> 00:15:23,760
this thing starts to

402
00:15:30,470 --> 00:15:27,279
emit what i can only call an arm

403
00:15:33,670 --> 00:15:30,480
or a sort of yeah an arm i guess

404
00:15:34,949 --> 00:15:33,680
a metallic arm out the far side which

405
00:15:38,310 --> 00:15:34,959
sweeps over the craft

406
00:15:42,150 --> 00:15:38,320
itself and into the very top

407
00:15:45,590 --> 00:15:42,160
of the smoke wow very strange

408
00:15:47,509 --> 00:15:45,600
yeah it has a pair of like a like a claw

409
00:15:49,030 --> 00:15:47,519
or a pincers

410
00:15:51,189 --> 00:15:49,040
and she can tell you know she knows how

411
00:15:53,269 --> 00:15:51,199
big this smokestack is so she

412
00:15:55,590 --> 00:15:53,279
estimates that this craft is anywhere

413
00:15:57,990 --> 00:15:55,600
between 1500 feet wide

414
00:16:00,629 --> 00:15:58,000
and the pincers themselves have to be at

415
00:16:03,749 --> 00:16:00,639
least 20 feet long

416
00:16:06,069 --> 00:16:03,759
so this is pretty big

417
00:16:08,150 --> 00:16:06,079
and it starts digging into the top of

418
00:16:10,870 --> 00:16:08,160
the smoke stack

419
00:16:11,670 --> 00:16:10,880
very strange i don't know if it's put it

420
00:16:14,790 --> 00:16:11,680
right

421
00:16:17,110 --> 00:16:14,800
just bizarre well you know they have

422
00:16:17,829 --> 00:16:17,120
they have a lot of them have these like

423
00:16:20,550 --> 00:16:17,839
filters

424
00:16:21,030 --> 00:16:20,560
and things i'm not sure exactly what but

425
00:16:23,910 --> 00:16:21,040
you know

426
00:16:26,069 --> 00:16:23,920
like some of the the smoke is like

427
00:16:27,829 --> 00:16:26,079
treated through filters

428
00:16:29,350 --> 00:16:27,839
um and i don't know where they're

429
00:16:30,790 --> 00:16:29,360
located in the chimneys but i'm

430
00:16:31,829 --> 00:16:30,800
wondering if they're at the top do you

431
00:16:34,949 --> 00:16:31,839
know what type of

432
00:16:38,069 --> 00:16:34,959
was this an oil or coal-fired plant

433
00:16:39,990 --> 00:16:38,079
do you know it was coal yeah

434
00:16:41,189 --> 00:16:40,000
and uh i don't know if it was placing

435
00:16:42,550 --> 00:16:41,199
something in there

436
00:16:44,550 --> 00:16:42,560
because there are cases i mean that

437
00:16:47,670 --> 00:16:44,560
happened at the morenci

438
00:16:49,590 --> 00:16:47,680
uh copper smelting plant a ufo hovered

439
00:16:52,150 --> 00:16:49,600
right over one of the smoke stacks

440
00:16:52,629 --> 00:16:52,160
and dropped a little probe right into it

441
00:16:56,069 --> 00:16:52,639
they didn't

442
00:16:58,069 --> 00:16:56,079
something

443
00:17:00,069 --> 00:16:58,079
i kind of speculate that maybe it was

444
00:17:01,590 --> 00:17:00,079
measuring the levels of pollution

445
00:17:03,350 --> 00:17:01,600
because that's something a lot of

446
00:17:05,750 --> 00:17:03,360
contactees get

447
00:17:06,949 --> 00:17:05,760
you know messages about like why are you

448
00:17:09,510 --> 00:17:06,959
polluting your planet

449
00:17:10,390 --> 00:17:09,520
why are you using fossil fuels this type

450
00:17:13,110 --> 00:17:10,400
of thing

451
00:17:14,390 --> 00:17:13,120
yeah so maybe it was investigating that

452
00:17:16,710 --> 00:17:14,400
i mean clearly

453
00:17:18,789 --> 00:17:16,720
that's a fascinating one yeah they

454
00:17:20,390 --> 00:17:18,799
called the police while it was there

455
00:17:23,110 --> 00:17:20,400
they called the police and the policeman

456
00:17:26,069 --> 00:17:23,120
was very friendly at first until it

457
00:17:27,189 --> 00:17:26,079
became clear to him that this was a ufo

458
00:17:30,390 --> 00:17:27,199
report

459
00:17:32,549 --> 00:17:30,400
and then he became hostile oh

460
00:17:35,110 --> 00:17:32,559
yeah he did not want to hear it he says

461
00:17:37,510 --> 00:17:35,120
oh you're just looking at a fishing boat

462
00:17:39,510 --> 00:17:37,520
yeah yeah that angered them both or like

463
00:17:42,710 --> 00:17:39,520
it's in the sky

464
00:17:47,190 --> 00:17:42,720
it's not a boat now what about there

465
00:17:48,870 --> 00:17:47,200
what about the plant um was there anyone

466
00:17:51,270 --> 00:17:48,880
that reported seeing anything at the

467
00:17:53,190 --> 00:17:51,280
plant or did they try to reach

468
00:17:54,390 --> 00:17:53,200
someone at the plant to talk to them

469
00:17:56,950 --> 00:17:54,400
when it was

470
00:17:57,669 --> 00:17:56,960
going on and can you remind me how long

471
00:18:00,710 --> 00:17:57,679
did it

472
00:18:03,190 --> 00:18:00,720
stay there it stayed there

473
00:18:03,750 --> 00:18:03,200
anywhere between 10 to 20 minutes and it

474
00:18:06,310 --> 00:18:03,760
took

475
00:18:08,310 --> 00:18:06,320
you know a good 15 minutes to get there

476
00:18:11,510 --> 00:18:08,320
so this is a fairly prolonged

477
00:18:12,950 --> 00:18:11,520
sighting and it stayed there long enough

478
00:18:14,630 --> 00:18:12,960
for them to call the police

479
00:18:16,390 --> 00:18:14,640
this is something a lot of people should

480
00:18:19,110 --> 00:18:16,400
have seen

481
00:18:20,070 --> 00:18:19,120
but right they called the radio station

482
00:18:21,430 --> 00:18:20,080
they did not call the

483
00:18:23,669 --> 00:18:21,440
the power plant but they did call the

484
00:18:26,150 --> 00:18:23,679
radio station afterwards

485
00:18:27,350 --> 00:18:26,160
and uh asked if there was any reports

486
00:18:30,870 --> 00:18:27,360
the radio

487
00:18:31,270 --> 00:18:30,880
host denied it but that doesn't surprise

488
00:18:34,390 --> 00:18:31,280
me

489
00:18:36,390 --> 00:18:34,400
most people do not report their sighting

490
00:18:37,990 --> 00:18:36,400
this is the one case that she did report

491
00:18:41,270 --> 00:18:38,000
it to mufon

492
00:18:43,029 --> 00:18:41,280
i did submit a a written report

493
00:18:44,789 --> 00:18:43,039
and i did some you know it stayed there

494
00:18:46,630 --> 00:18:44,799
for like 20 minutes and winked out

495
00:18:49,669 --> 00:18:46,640
i did not see it move away it didn't

496
00:18:51,669 --> 00:18:49,679
fade away just blink and it's gone

497
00:18:53,669 --> 00:18:51,679
so maybe it darted off you know these

498
00:18:56,310 --> 00:18:53,679
things can move quickly

499
00:18:57,270 --> 00:18:56,320
yeah or maybe it turned invisible

500
00:18:59,190 --> 00:18:57,280
because

501
00:19:00,710 --> 00:18:59,200
you know i do have reports where some

502
00:19:01,430 --> 00:19:00,720
people are seeing a ufo and other people

503
00:19:03,990 --> 00:19:01,440
in the area

504
00:19:04,710 --> 00:19:04,000
aren't seeing it and they should be able

505
00:19:11,270 --> 00:19:04,720
to

506
00:19:11,909 --> 00:19:11,280
maybe this was an intentional you know

507
00:19:15,190 --> 00:19:11,919
kind of

508
00:19:16,230 --> 00:19:15,200
display because that does happen i don't

509
00:19:18,310 --> 00:19:16,240
know but

510
00:19:20,150 --> 00:19:18,320
i did some digging and i found something

511
00:19:22,390 --> 00:19:20,160
really interesting

512
00:19:24,870 --> 00:19:22,400
uh this was not the first sighting there

513
00:19:26,870 --> 00:19:24,880
and it wasn't the last either

514
00:19:27,990 --> 00:19:26,880
really at the same at the same power

515
00:19:30,230 --> 00:19:28,000
plan yep

516
00:19:32,789 --> 00:19:30,240
yep i think the most interesting other

517
00:19:34,950 --> 00:19:32,799
sighting occurred some years later

518
00:19:35,909 --> 00:19:34,960
uh not not long after that a couple of

519
00:19:37,909 --> 00:19:35,919
years

520
00:19:39,510 --> 00:19:37,919
and it was by a security officer who was

521
00:19:42,870 --> 00:19:39,520
patrolling that area

522
00:19:45,510 --> 00:19:42,880
and he saw this he described it as an

523
00:19:47,590 --> 00:19:45,520
orb a white orb but again it was

524
00:19:50,070 --> 00:19:47,600
hovering directly over the power plant

525
00:19:50,710 --> 00:19:50,080
he saw it twice over a period of hours

526
00:19:53,750 --> 00:19:50,720
on that

527
00:19:57,110 --> 00:19:53,760
on one evening but i found two

528
00:19:59,830 --> 00:19:57,120
other reports as well um so yeah

529
00:20:02,070 --> 00:19:59,840
moss power plant is being targeted by

530
00:20:04,149 --> 00:20:02,080
ufos i think they're

531
00:20:05,190 --> 00:20:04,159
i don't know uh keeping tabs of our

532
00:20:07,669 --> 00:20:05,200
technology

533
00:20:09,669 --> 00:20:07,679
monitoring pollution something along

534
00:20:11,669 --> 00:20:09,679
these lines i can only speculate

535
00:20:13,270 --> 00:20:11,679
but power plant visitations is

536
00:20:15,830 --> 00:20:13,280
definitely a thing

537
00:20:17,669 --> 00:20:15,840
but never heard anything where they're

538
00:20:20,950 --> 00:20:17,679
like digging into it with this giant

539
00:20:22,870 --> 00:20:20,960
claw that's weird yeah

540
00:20:25,110 --> 00:20:22,880
yep wow yeah that really makes you

541
00:20:28,390 --> 00:20:25,120
wonder if they were taking samples

542
00:20:31,350 --> 00:20:28,400
and if so why um you

543
00:20:33,350 --> 00:20:31,360
you know could have to do with uh you

544
00:20:35,990 --> 00:20:33,360
know pollution the amounts of pollution

545
00:20:37,510 --> 00:20:36,000
it and you know if you want to speculate

546
00:20:40,789 --> 00:20:37,520
could also speculate

547
00:20:41,590 --> 00:20:40,799
well this could be um you know a time

548
00:20:43,350 --> 00:20:41,600
travel thing

549
00:20:45,110 --> 00:20:43,360
testing you know what we're doing at a

550
00:20:49,110 --> 00:20:45,120
certain time or whatever

551
00:20:50,789 --> 00:20:49,120
or um the way it blinked off like that

552
00:20:52,470 --> 00:20:50,799
you know you you'd almost wonder if it

553
00:20:54,710 --> 00:20:52,480
was if there was the

554
00:20:56,470 --> 00:20:54,720
dimension thing that people talk about

555
00:20:58,230 --> 00:20:56,480
but then why would they

556
00:20:59,830 --> 00:20:58,240
be in the water if that's the case you

557
00:21:01,669 --> 00:20:59,840
know i mean

558
00:21:03,110 --> 00:21:01,679
yeah they clearly had an agenda i mean

559
00:21:04,470 --> 00:21:03,120
that was their plan

560
00:21:06,630 --> 00:21:04,480
and i talked about this with michael

561
00:21:08,630 --> 00:21:06,640
schratt yeah another

562
00:21:10,710 --> 00:21:08,640
you know fairly prominent researcher

563
00:21:14,070 --> 00:21:10,720
who's done a lot of research into

564
00:21:15,669 --> 00:21:14,080
the shapes of ufos and stuff he agrees

565
00:21:18,789 --> 00:21:15,679
with me he's like i've never heard

566
00:21:20,070 --> 00:21:18,799
anything like this at all he called it

567
00:21:22,310 --> 00:21:20,080
one of the most unusual

568
00:21:23,190 --> 00:21:22,320
uh things he's heard and i agree with

569
00:21:25,029 --> 00:21:23,200
him it's just

570
00:21:26,549 --> 00:21:25,039
it's that arm that really gets me i'm

571
00:21:27,110 --> 00:21:26,559
like what the heck and why did it come

572
00:21:30,630 --> 00:21:27,120
out the far

573
00:21:31,830 --> 00:21:30,640
side you know come on since they had all

574
00:21:34,070 --> 00:21:31,840
this time were they

575
00:21:35,190 --> 00:21:34,080
were they able and this is 1997 i

576
00:21:37,510 --> 00:21:35,200
realized that

577
00:21:38,950 --> 00:21:37,520
when you know the cell phone technology

578
00:21:40,950 --> 00:21:38,960
didn't really have

579
00:21:42,070 --> 00:21:40,960
you know the camera capabilities like it

580
00:21:44,789 --> 00:21:42,080
does but

581
00:21:47,669 --> 00:21:44,799
um did and did they have access to

582
00:21:50,549 --> 00:21:47,679
either a video camera or a camera or

583
00:21:51,510 --> 00:21:50,559
and did they try to take pictures no to

584
00:21:53,270 --> 00:21:51,520
both questions

585
00:21:55,350 --> 00:21:53,280
did not take pictures did not have a

586
00:21:58,390 --> 00:21:55,360
camera handy

587
00:22:01,029 --> 00:21:58,400
uh and following the incident uh

588
00:22:01,909 --> 00:22:01,039
one of the witnesses the host where they

589
00:22:04,470 --> 00:22:01,919
had dinner

590
00:22:06,310 --> 00:22:04,480
refused to discuss it she did not want

591
00:22:09,029 --> 00:22:06,320
to talk about it ever again

592
00:22:10,950 --> 00:22:09,039
it really upset her uh i think it kind

593
00:22:12,310 --> 00:22:10,960
of shifted her world view quite a bit

594
00:22:15,430 --> 00:22:12,320
and it took you know

595
00:22:16,950 --> 00:22:15,440
she's now deceased unfortunately so i

596
00:22:18,950 --> 00:22:16,960
couldn't talk to her but

597
00:22:20,710 --> 00:22:18,960
it clearly shifted her worldview to a

598
00:22:22,390 --> 00:22:20,720
point that she was not happy talking

599
00:22:25,510 --> 00:22:22,400
about it

600
00:22:27,669 --> 00:22:25,520
yeah no photos unfortunately yeah

601
00:22:29,669 --> 00:22:27,679
yeah that's too bad you know you wonder

602
00:22:31,750 --> 00:22:29,679
if that would happen today

603
00:22:33,430 --> 00:22:31,760
you would think someone would be able to

604
00:22:35,510 --> 00:22:33,440
capture a really good

605
00:22:36,710 --> 00:22:35,520
video of it you know and i realized a

606
00:22:40,230 --> 00:22:36,720
quarter of a mile is

607
00:22:41,830 --> 00:22:40,240
very far away but it sounds to me like

608
00:22:43,270 --> 00:22:41,840
when it went over to the power plant

609
00:22:45,830 --> 00:22:43,280
where um

610
00:22:47,110 --> 00:22:45,840
they could have been able to film

611
00:22:49,270 --> 00:22:47,120
something

612
00:22:50,470 --> 00:22:49,280
or taken some pictures if they had that

613
00:22:53,669 --> 00:22:50,480
availability

614
00:22:55,270 --> 00:22:53,679
yeah it's funny talk to people yeah i've

615
00:22:56,070 --> 00:22:55,280
talked to people who have had cameras

616
00:22:58,310 --> 00:22:56,080
ready

617
00:23:00,149 --> 00:22:58,320
and didn't think of them or tried to

618
00:23:02,310 --> 00:23:00,159
take a picture and just

619
00:23:04,870 --> 00:23:02,320
for one whatever reason weren't able to

620
00:23:07,590 --> 00:23:04,880
do it or the camera actually fails

621
00:23:08,070 --> 00:23:07,600
and i had one case on catalina island

622
00:23:10,789 --> 00:23:08,080
there were

623
00:23:11,350 --> 00:23:10,799
12 people there and four of them had

624
00:23:14,230 --> 00:23:11,360
cameras

625
00:23:15,990 --> 00:23:14,240
and every single camera failed so sort

626
00:23:19,110 --> 00:23:16,000
of their flashlights and their watches

627
00:23:21,350 --> 00:23:19,120
too so yeah now you hear that a lot

628
00:23:22,710 --> 00:23:21,360
like the batteries will die things like

629
00:23:25,430 --> 00:23:22,720
that suddenly

630
00:23:25,909 --> 00:23:25,440
which is uh which is really bizarre you

631
00:23:29,270 --> 00:23:25,919
know and

632
00:23:32,310 --> 00:23:29,280
and i i think back of when when i had my

633
00:23:33,909 --> 00:23:32,320
sighting i don't know if i had my phone

634
00:23:36,630 --> 00:23:33,919
beside me if i would have even

635
00:23:38,710 --> 00:23:36,640
thought of taking a picture you know i

636
00:23:40,070 --> 00:23:38,720
was i was just so engulfed in what i was

637
00:23:43,110 --> 00:23:40,080
seeing like

638
00:23:45,750 --> 00:23:43,120
what am i looking at like

639
00:23:47,909 --> 00:23:45,760
i had the same experience i went out

640
00:23:48,789 --> 00:23:47,919
looking for ufo well this lady a contact

641
00:23:52,310 --> 00:23:48,799
d

642
00:23:54,470 --> 00:23:52,320
took me on an appointment to see a ufo

643
00:23:56,789 --> 00:23:54,480
i wasn't really expecting one even

644
00:24:01,029 --> 00:23:56,799
though she kind of had showed me one

645
00:24:03,430 --> 00:24:01,039
earlier but we went out to this location

646
00:24:04,950 --> 00:24:03,440
and this giant ufo showed up it was

647
00:24:08,310 --> 00:24:04,960
right next to us

648
00:24:09,830 --> 00:24:08,320
i mean 50 feet away the most beautiful

649
00:24:11,110 --> 00:24:09,840
thing i've ever seen i was covered with

650
00:24:13,669 --> 00:24:11,120
golden lights and

651
00:24:16,710 --> 00:24:13,679
had a camera around my neck did not take

652
00:24:19,909 --> 00:24:18,470
i didn't think of it it was just so

653
00:24:22,630 --> 00:24:19,919
shocking when you see this

654
00:24:22,950 --> 00:24:22,640
that close and it was a brief sighting

655
00:24:25,430 --> 00:24:22,960
too

656
00:24:29,510 --> 00:24:25,440
so please give me credit for that it was

657
00:24:33,909 --> 00:24:32,149
did you try to go back to this place i

658
00:24:37,029 --> 00:24:33,919
mean is this

659
00:24:37,990 --> 00:24:37,039
she when how did this happen i want to

660
00:24:41,110 --> 00:24:38,000
know how this happened

661
00:24:42,230 --> 00:24:41,120
did she tell you that she had sightings

662
00:24:44,710 --> 00:24:42,240
in a particular

663
00:24:45,430 --> 00:24:44,720
place quite often come along with me is

664
00:24:47,510 --> 00:24:45,440
that

665
00:24:49,190 --> 00:24:47,520
what happened no this is actually a

666
00:24:50,470 --> 00:24:49,200
really interesting interesting story i

667
00:24:52,870 --> 00:24:50,480
had interviewed her

668
00:24:54,950 --> 00:24:52,880
about her you know onboard experiences

669
00:24:57,110 --> 00:24:54,960
her face-to-face encounters

670
00:24:58,870 --> 00:24:57,120
and they were wild i mean this was one

671
00:25:00,870 --> 00:24:58,880
of the most extensive cases i

672
00:25:02,710 --> 00:25:00,880
had had up to that time complete with

673
00:25:04,070 --> 00:25:02,720
hybrid babies and

674
00:25:06,710 --> 00:25:04,080
like she was being pulled up into a

675
00:25:08,789 --> 00:25:06,720
craft once woke up

676
00:25:10,630 --> 00:25:08,799
and saw the grays they were very

677
00:25:11,909 --> 00:25:10,640
surprised that she woke up and she says

678
00:25:14,549 --> 00:25:11,919
to them put me back

679
00:25:15,669 --> 00:25:14,559
right now they were so surprised they

680
00:25:17,029 --> 00:25:15,679
did

681
00:25:19,510 --> 00:25:17,039
another time she woke up there

682
00:25:20,470 --> 00:25:19,520
surrounding her bed and she lashed out

683
00:25:23,510 --> 00:25:20,480
and kicked one

684
00:25:24,070 --> 00:25:23,520
in the neck and it snapped and it fell

685
00:25:25,350 --> 00:25:24,080
down

686
00:25:27,190 --> 00:25:25,360
and she thinks she may have actually

687
00:25:29,590 --> 00:25:27,200
killed it she's not sure

688
00:25:30,310 --> 00:25:29,600
feels really bad about it but uh that

689
00:25:32,470 --> 00:25:30,320
stopped

690
00:25:34,390 --> 00:25:32,480
that whole experience so she's telling

691
00:25:35,269 --> 00:25:34,400
me all this i did a recorded interview

692
00:25:39,510 --> 00:25:35,279
and i'm

693
00:25:41,830 --> 00:25:39,520
in my condo this is mid 1990s 94.

694
00:25:43,590 --> 00:25:41,840
and uh in my condo in canoga park late

695
00:25:44,630 --> 00:25:43,600
at night transcribing the interview i'm

696
00:25:47,190 --> 00:25:44,640
like i wonder if

697
00:25:48,789 --> 00:25:47,200
wendy i'll call her wendy is for real i

698
00:25:51,909 --> 00:25:48,799
i mean i know she is

699
00:25:53,990 --> 00:25:51,919
i was clearly sincere but i just

700
00:25:57,110 --> 00:25:54,000
couldn't wrap my head around all this

701
00:25:59,190 --> 00:25:57,120
and i got this really strong literally

702
00:26:01,029 --> 00:25:59,200
irresistible impulse to go onto the roof

703
00:26:04,149 --> 00:26:01,039
of my condo

704
00:26:05,750 --> 00:26:04,159
and i couldn't stop myself and uh i'm

705
00:26:06,390 --> 00:26:05,760
like what am i doing i grabbed my

706
00:26:08,390 --> 00:26:06,400
glasses

707
00:26:09,990 --> 00:26:08,400
you know i'm slightly nerve-sided i use

708
00:26:12,149 --> 00:26:10,000
them for driving

709
00:26:13,430 --> 00:26:12,159
and ran into the roof of my three-story

710
00:26:15,430 --> 00:26:13,440
condo

711
00:26:17,029 --> 00:26:15,440
which i'm not allowed to do and i i

712
00:26:18,710 --> 00:26:17,039
don't go up there it's against the rules

713
00:26:21,830 --> 00:26:18,720
you know i'm a good boy i don't

714
00:26:24,230 --> 00:26:21,840
disobey the rules but i did that night

715
00:26:26,230 --> 00:26:24,240
and uh walked onto the roof i'm facing

716
00:26:28,230 --> 00:26:26,240
north thinking what am i doing

717
00:26:30,470 --> 00:26:28,240
and i was enough there i'm going to say

718
00:26:32,870 --> 00:26:30,480
about 10 15 seconds it could have been

719
00:26:36,070 --> 00:26:32,880
30 but it was less than a minute

720
00:26:38,950 --> 00:26:36,080
uh and this object appears well

721
00:26:40,789 --> 00:26:38,960
a light this giant glowing kind of fiery

722
00:26:43,110 --> 00:26:40,799
orange orb

723
00:26:43,990 --> 00:26:43,120
right across the street could have been

724
00:26:46,470 --> 00:26:44,000
maybe

725
00:26:49,029 --> 00:26:46,480
i don't know 100 200 feet away but 10

726
00:26:52,070 --> 00:26:49,039
feet across maybe it was big

727
00:26:54,070 --> 00:26:52,080
and this thing talks to me i mean it

728
00:26:55,669 --> 00:26:54,080
literally gave me a message

729
00:26:58,070 --> 00:26:55,679
blew me away i've never had anything

730
00:26:59,990 --> 00:26:58,080
like this but it basically said

731
00:27:01,750 --> 00:27:00,000
not in english but in sort of just a

732
00:27:05,510 --> 00:27:01,760
blast of impressions

733
00:27:08,630 --> 00:27:05,520
it's like hi it's us we're wendy's et's

734
00:27:11,190 --> 00:27:08,640
you don't believe well watch this

735
00:27:12,870 --> 00:27:11,200
um not again not in words but just a

736
00:27:16,230 --> 00:27:12,880
really strong impression

737
00:27:17,830 --> 00:27:16,240
that was unmistakable and it starts

738
00:27:19,990 --> 00:27:17,840
darting around back and forth

739
00:27:20,870 --> 00:27:20,000
back and forth i mean not only right

740
00:27:25,110 --> 00:27:20,880
angles but

741
00:27:28,549 --> 00:27:25,120
super acute angles really fast

742
00:27:30,630 --> 00:27:28,559
and uh just putting on a display clearly

743
00:27:33,590 --> 00:27:30,640
for me to convince me that

744
00:27:34,710 --> 00:27:33,600
wendy was telling the truth and uh yeah

745
00:27:36,870 --> 00:27:34,720
it convinced me i ran

746
00:27:38,470 --> 00:27:36,880
i i couldn't believe it i fell back

747
00:27:40,070 --> 00:27:38,480
against the wall there and i'm like oh

748
00:27:42,389 --> 00:27:40,080
my god oh my god

749
00:27:44,310 --> 00:27:42,399
and it was again a brief sighting i ran

750
00:27:46,230 --> 00:27:44,320
downstairs it was too late to call her

751
00:27:47,430 --> 00:27:46,240
i almost did but i don't think i called

752
00:27:48,549 --> 00:27:47,440
her that night i called her the next day

753
00:27:49,590 --> 00:27:48,559
i'm like wendy you're not going to

754
00:27:51,909 --> 00:27:49,600
believe it

755
00:27:53,269 --> 00:27:51,919
your et's came and they actually talked

756
00:27:55,190 --> 00:27:53,279
to me

757
00:27:56,549 --> 00:27:55,200
she's like wow you know i told you i

758
00:27:57,830 --> 00:27:56,559
told you i was telling the truth what

759
00:27:59,029 --> 00:27:57,840
you didn't believe me i'm like no no

760
00:27:59,909 --> 00:27:59,039
it's not that i didn't believe you i'm

761
00:28:02,870 --> 00:27:59,919
just

762
00:28:04,070 --> 00:28:02,880
having trouble you know wrapping my head

763
00:28:05,830 --> 00:28:04,080
around this

764
00:28:07,190 --> 00:28:05,840
and and i told her i'd really like to

765
00:28:08,630 --> 00:28:07,200
see a ufo

766
00:28:11,029 --> 00:28:08,640
and she says well you just saw one i'm

767
00:28:13,110 --> 00:28:11,039
like yeah but i wasn't ready

768
00:28:15,029 --> 00:28:13,120
i wasn't ready for it she's like okay

769
00:28:16,710 --> 00:28:15,039
i'll talk to them telepathically like

770
00:28:18,870 --> 00:28:16,720
you can do that she's like sure i'm in

771
00:28:21,350 --> 00:28:18,880
californic contact with them she has

772
00:28:22,789 --> 00:28:21,360
fully conscious experiences

773
00:28:24,870 --> 00:28:22,799
and that's what she did she called me up

774
00:28:27,269 --> 00:28:24,880
like two weeks later she says okay

775
00:28:29,830 --> 00:28:27,279
they said they'd appear it's off the 210

776
00:28:31,590 --> 00:28:29,840
freeway in pasadena let's go you ready

777
00:28:33,269 --> 00:28:31,600
i'm like yeah let's do this

778
00:28:34,950 --> 00:28:33,279
and it worked yeah i brought my

779
00:28:38,549 --> 00:28:34,960
sister-in-law

780
00:28:39,269 --> 00:28:38,559
my nephew and her and only she and i saw

781
00:28:41,190 --> 00:28:39,279
it

782
00:28:43,029 --> 00:28:41,200
my sister-in-law christy and my nephew

783
00:28:44,549 --> 00:28:43,039
james had fallen behind

784
00:28:47,430 --> 00:28:44,559
on the path up to up this little

785
00:28:49,430 --> 00:28:47,440
mountain alongside the freeway

786
00:28:51,430 --> 00:28:49,440
but wow right when we got to i mean

787
00:28:54,549 --> 00:28:51,440
literally the second we got there

788
00:28:57,190 --> 00:28:54,559
it appeared i was shocked

789
00:28:58,389 --> 00:28:57,200
that is really something i'm going to

790
00:29:01,750 --> 00:28:58,399
just show you this uh

791
00:29:02,950 --> 00:29:01,760
comment by jennifer p i'm in the oil

792
00:29:05,190 --> 00:29:02,960
industry and work

793
00:29:06,710 --> 00:29:05,200
the night shift at refineries in the us

794
00:29:09,510 --> 00:29:06,720
and many

795
00:29:11,269 --> 00:29:09,520
of us see unusual lights hovering above

796
00:29:14,630 --> 00:29:11,279
the units we're repairing

797
00:29:17,190 --> 00:29:14,640
most of the guys don't talk about it

798
00:29:18,710 --> 00:29:17,200
scares them interesting thank you

799
00:29:20,950 --> 00:29:18,720
jennifer for that

800
00:29:22,070 --> 00:29:20,960
yeah that's just irks me i mean i

801
00:29:24,549 --> 00:29:22,080
understand it but

802
00:29:26,870 --> 00:29:24,559
that people don't talk about this that's

803
00:29:29,510 --> 00:29:26,880
why and i mean we know mufon

804
00:29:29,909 --> 00:29:29,520
new fork at 20 reports daily about you

805
00:29:33,190 --> 00:29:29,919
know on

806
00:29:34,870 --> 00:29:33,200
average and if one let's just say it's

807
00:29:36,870 --> 00:29:34,880
one in 10 people reporting it

808
00:29:40,389 --> 00:29:36,880
and that's right yeah that's being

809
00:29:41,990 --> 00:29:40,399
generous it's probably closer to 100.

810
00:29:43,990 --> 00:29:42,000
yeah no i think i think you're right

811
00:29:47,590 --> 00:29:44,000
it's it's

812
00:29:48,950 --> 00:29:47,600
well just when i went to a conference

813
00:29:51,350 --> 00:29:48,960
once

814
00:29:52,870 --> 00:29:51,360
it it ended up being about one in ten

815
00:29:55,510 --> 00:29:52,880
when how many people

816
00:29:56,950 --> 00:29:55,520
sitting here right now i think they saw

817
00:29:59,029 --> 00:29:56,960
a ufo

818
00:30:00,549 --> 00:29:59,039
the show of hands and then counted it

819
00:30:02,549 --> 00:30:00,559
was about ten percent

820
00:30:05,430 --> 00:30:02,559
that reported about maybe that's only

821
00:30:07,669 --> 00:30:05,440
the people that go to ufo conferences

822
00:30:09,830 --> 00:30:07,679
you know maybe people out there that

823
00:30:11,350 --> 00:30:09,840
would never go to a ufo conference maybe

824
00:30:11,990 --> 00:30:11,360
it's many more so you're right it could

825
00:30:15,590 --> 00:30:12,000
be

826
00:30:17,590 --> 00:30:15,600
one in you know 50 or 100 who knows

827
00:30:19,590 --> 00:30:17,600
yeah i've asked i always ask people did

828
00:30:20,470 --> 00:30:19,600
you report it and almost nobody i'm

829
00:30:23,269 --> 00:30:20,480
going to cut

830
00:30:24,710 --> 00:30:23,279
on a couple of hands and feet talk to

831
00:30:25,669 --> 00:30:24,720
hundreds of people and almost no one

832
00:30:28,149 --> 00:30:25,679
reports it

833
00:30:29,190 --> 00:30:28,159
yeah well i didn't when i had my

834
00:30:33,110 --> 00:30:29,200
sighting in

835
00:30:35,269 --> 00:30:33,120
you know back in 2006 i had no idea

836
00:30:36,710 --> 00:30:35,279
that you would report something online

837
00:30:39,590 --> 00:30:36,720
first of all i just didn't know

838
00:30:40,230 --> 00:30:39,600
it existed and i called the police

839
00:30:43,269 --> 00:30:40,240
department

840
00:30:47,029 --> 00:30:43,279
because i just didn't know what to do so

841
00:30:49,269 --> 00:30:47,039
um you know not until i started

842
00:30:50,310 --> 00:30:49,279
really looking into this topic did i

843
00:30:53,110 --> 00:30:50,320
find out that

844
00:30:53,909 --> 00:30:53,120
you know there's mufon and uh new fork

845
00:30:56,070 --> 00:30:53,919
and all the other

846
00:30:57,350 --> 00:30:56,080
you know places you can report i had no

847
00:31:00,230 --> 00:30:57,360
idea

848
00:31:01,830 --> 00:31:00,240
yeah so it's uh yeah either i get it i

849
00:31:05,350 --> 00:31:01,840
had no idea that the subject was

850
00:31:08,389 --> 00:31:05,360
even real yeah yeah

851
00:31:09,430 --> 00:31:08,399
it's funny how one little thing can

852
00:31:12,470 --> 00:31:09,440
change your life

853
00:31:13,830 --> 00:31:12,480
like your friends talking about it all

854
00:31:16,149 --> 00:31:13,840
that time ago

855
00:31:17,750 --> 00:31:16,159
or you seeing something you know just

856
00:31:20,470 --> 00:31:17,760
this one little thing

857
00:31:20,870 --> 00:31:20,480
that happened to me totally changed my

858
00:31:23,590 --> 00:31:20,880
life

859
00:31:25,750 --> 00:31:23,600
you know here i am doing this show and

860
00:31:28,389 --> 00:31:25,760
really enjoying it and fascinated by

861
00:31:29,509 --> 00:31:28,399
listening to people like yourself talk

862
00:31:31,029 --> 00:31:29,519
about

863
00:31:34,230 --> 00:31:31,039
you know all these strange things that

864
00:31:36,630 --> 00:31:34,240
have happened and unexplainable

865
00:31:37,750 --> 00:31:36,640
still you know i mean i don't know

866
00:31:41,190 --> 00:31:37,760
anymore

867
00:31:44,230 --> 00:31:41,200
460 shows in i know probably less than i

868
00:31:47,350 --> 00:31:44,240
did when i started i don't know

869
00:31:47,990 --> 00:31:47,360
i know i still get shocked yeah well i'm

870
00:31:51,029 --> 00:31:48,000
like

871
00:31:52,870 --> 00:31:51,039
shocked me

872
00:31:54,389 --> 00:31:52,880
i knew about the rua zimbabwe case i

873
00:31:55,669 --> 00:31:54,399
didn't know if there were there was over

874
00:31:58,310 --> 00:31:55,679
100 of them

875
00:32:00,310 --> 00:31:58,320
yeah i just did a book on dr ufos

876
00:32:03,909 --> 00:32:00,320
overdrive in theaters

877
00:32:06,549 --> 00:32:03,919
uh oh really i missed that one oh wow

878
00:32:07,190 --> 00:32:06,559
interesting how about that yeah i had

879
00:32:09,990 --> 00:32:07,200
one case

880
00:32:10,549 --> 00:32:10,000
turns out there's over 100 just saying

881
00:32:13,669 --> 00:32:10,559
wow

882
00:32:13,990 --> 00:32:13,679
i really enjoyed the when we talked

883
00:32:17,509 --> 00:32:14,000
about

884
00:32:17,830 --> 00:32:17,519
the schoolyard um encounters that was uh

885
00:32:22,149 --> 00:32:17,840
that

886
00:32:23,830 --> 00:32:22,159
feedback and people were talking about

887
00:32:26,389 --> 00:32:23,840
that for a long time that's a

888
00:32:28,149 --> 00:32:26,399
that is a a really good book a lot of

889
00:32:30,630 --> 00:32:28,159
people have really enjoyed that book

890
00:32:31,430 --> 00:32:30,640
and people even like shane ryan the west

891
00:32:32,870 --> 00:32:31,440
all

892
00:32:34,549 --> 00:32:32,880
you know thought that was a very good

893
00:32:37,830 --> 00:32:34,559
book as well

894
00:32:39,509 --> 00:32:37,840
so yeah nice work to do awesome thanks i

895
00:32:41,990 --> 00:32:39,519
appreciate that

896
00:32:42,630 --> 00:32:42,000
yeah but that book i mean that shocked

897
00:32:44,070 --> 00:32:42,640
me

898
00:32:46,310 --> 00:32:44,080
when i found out how many cases there

899
00:32:48,870 --> 00:32:46,320
were yeah

900
00:32:50,470 --> 00:32:48,880
yeah and just myself yeah you know you

901
00:32:53,509 --> 00:32:50,480
when you and i have talked

902
00:32:55,110 --> 00:32:53,519
about it prior you know i asked i

903
00:32:56,230 --> 00:32:55,120
remember asking you the question why do

904
00:32:58,389 --> 00:32:56,240
you think

905
00:32:59,509 --> 00:32:58,399
it's children and i remember you saying

906
00:33:01,350 --> 00:32:59,519
something like uh

907
00:33:02,549 --> 00:33:01,360
they're impressionable you know more

908
00:33:05,190 --> 00:33:02,559
impressionable and

909
00:33:07,190 --> 00:33:05,200
you know more open mind then as you get

910
00:33:09,430 --> 00:33:07,200
older and you get stuck in

911
00:33:11,110 --> 00:33:09,440
a mindset or whatever it's fringe or

912
00:33:13,269 --> 00:33:11,120
whatever

913
00:33:14,950 --> 00:33:13,279
yep most of it had never even heard of

914
00:33:18,389 --> 00:33:14,960
the term ufos

915
00:33:19,750 --> 00:33:18,399
right yeah that's in in the ariel school

916
00:33:23,509 --> 00:33:19,760
encounter

917
00:33:25,990 --> 00:33:23,519
in 1994 um i remember speaking

918
00:33:26,630 --> 00:33:26,000
with selma siddique and she said i never

919
00:33:29,029 --> 00:33:26,640
heard

920
00:33:30,710 --> 00:33:29,039
the word ufo i never knew anything about

921
00:33:32,310 --> 00:33:30,720
them

922
00:33:33,990 --> 00:33:32,320
it was not like they were watching tv

923
00:33:35,029 --> 00:33:34,000
there or anything where they could have

924
00:33:37,509 --> 00:33:35,039
seen something

925
00:33:38,070 --> 00:33:37,519
yeah it was just an unheard of situation

926
00:33:40,310 --> 00:33:38,080
half the

927
00:33:41,509 --> 00:33:40,320
half of those cases a full half are

928
00:33:43,669 --> 00:33:41,519
elementary

929
00:33:45,190 --> 00:33:43,679
uh schools and there's junior high and

930
00:33:45,990 --> 00:33:45,200
high schools and a couple of colleges

931
00:33:47,750 --> 00:33:46,000
but

932
00:33:49,669 --> 00:33:47,760
mostly elementary schools and i don't

933
00:33:52,710 --> 00:33:49,679
think that's a coincidence

934
00:33:55,430 --> 00:33:52,720
yeah all impressionable um

935
00:33:55,990 --> 00:33:55,440
so let's talk about another case in

936
00:33:59,509 --> 00:33:56,000
let's see

937
00:34:02,549 --> 00:33:59,519
yeah another case where i remember

938
00:34:06,470 --> 00:34:02,559
something about a school teacher in a 15

939
00:34:10,470 --> 00:34:06,480
foot oh yeah

940
00:34:12,869 --> 00:34:10,480
this is such an amazing case 2006

941
00:34:14,149 --> 00:34:12,879
oh fallon illinois it's a pretty rural

942
00:34:15,990 --> 00:34:14,159
community

943
00:34:18,149 --> 00:34:16,000
and i call the lady eleanor she says

944
00:34:21,030 --> 00:34:18,159
please don't use my name

945
00:34:22,550 --> 00:34:21,040
she contacted me because uh there was an

946
00:34:26,310 --> 00:34:22,560
account in one of my other books

947
00:34:28,470 --> 00:34:26,320
about the same type of creature she saw

948
00:34:29,669 --> 00:34:28,480
figure i'm not sure i really like that

949
00:34:32,550 --> 00:34:29,679
term creature but

950
00:34:34,550 --> 00:34:32,560
hey this field suffers from semantic

951
00:34:37,589 --> 00:34:34,560
disaster what are you going to do

952
00:34:39,589 --> 00:34:37,599
but at any rate she likes to go jogging

953
00:34:43,669 --> 00:34:39,599
early in the morning

954
00:34:45,430 --> 00:34:43,679
and with her dog outside her home

955
00:34:48,389 --> 00:34:45,440
o'fallon illinois so she's out there

956
00:34:51,669 --> 00:34:48,399
jogging one evening in 2000 or one

957
00:34:53,589 --> 00:34:51,679
early early morning 4 30 a.m

958
00:34:56,069 --> 00:34:53,599
uh it goes downer street up another

959
00:34:56,710 --> 00:34:56,079
street of third street and is coming up

960
00:34:59,750 --> 00:34:56,720
to a t

961
00:35:02,950 --> 00:34:59,760
intersection and about a hundred feet

962
00:35:04,310 --> 00:35:02,960
away she can see what she well actually

963
00:35:07,190 --> 00:35:04,320
her dog noticed it first

964
00:35:08,310 --> 00:35:07,200
her dog stopped pricked its ears up and

965
00:35:10,390 --> 00:35:08,320
was looking ahead

966
00:35:12,230 --> 00:35:10,400
so she stopped too thinking oh it's

967
00:35:13,670 --> 00:35:12,240
going to be a deer you know a fox a

968
00:35:15,670 --> 00:35:13,680
raccoon something

969
00:35:17,670 --> 00:35:15,680
like that because that often happened

970
00:35:19,750 --> 00:35:17,680
when they went jogging

971
00:35:22,390 --> 00:35:19,760
but it wasn't she saw what she first

972
00:35:25,030 --> 00:35:22,400
thought was a man on stilts

973
00:35:26,950 --> 00:35:25,040
walking down the center of the street

974
00:35:27,349 --> 00:35:26,960
this is a pretty busy road during the

975
00:35:30,950 --> 00:35:27,359
day

976
00:35:32,710 --> 00:35:30,960
no one's there at that hour and uh

977
00:35:33,990 --> 00:35:32,720
it looked like he had extenders on his

978
00:35:35,990 --> 00:35:34,000
arms

979
00:35:37,430 --> 00:35:36,000
and it was this thing was just booking

980
00:35:40,550 --> 00:35:37,440
down the road

981
00:35:42,310 --> 00:35:40,560
in 10 foot strides and walks right under

982
00:35:44,069 --> 00:35:42,320
the street light there

983
00:35:45,750 --> 00:35:44,079
this is how she knows how tall this

984
00:35:49,030 --> 00:35:45,760
thing was she says president was

985
00:35:52,630 --> 00:35:49,040
15 feet tall and

986
00:35:55,270 --> 00:35:52,640
uh it was a praying mantis

987
00:35:57,829 --> 00:35:55,280
it looked like a walking humanoid

988
00:36:00,950 --> 00:35:57,839
praying mantis bug

989
00:36:02,550 --> 00:36:00,960
very long long stick like limbs short

990
00:36:03,990 --> 00:36:02,560
little arms kind of hooked up towards

991
00:36:07,190 --> 00:36:04,000
the front

992
00:36:09,349 --> 00:36:07,200
and uh gray in color not not completely

993
00:36:12,870 --> 00:36:09,359
uniform sort of mottled

994
00:36:15,750 --> 00:36:12,880
huge huge eyes its head was bent down

995
00:36:17,430 --> 00:36:15,760
and it was sweeping back and forth as if

996
00:36:19,430 --> 00:36:17,440
looking for something

997
00:36:20,470 --> 00:36:19,440
that makes me wonder what you know

998
00:36:23,109 --> 00:36:20,480
what's it looking for

999
00:36:25,990 --> 00:36:23,119
did it drop something you know what the

1000
00:36:29,510 --> 00:36:26,000
heck is going on here

1001
00:36:31,829 --> 00:36:29,520
and this thing just is walking down the

1002
00:36:34,790 --> 00:36:31,839
road at pretty high speed

1003
00:36:36,550 --> 00:36:34,800
she stops watches it walk by and then

1004
00:36:39,670 --> 00:36:36,560
you know what she does

1005
00:36:41,750 --> 00:36:39,680
she runs after it that's kind of yeah

1006
00:36:43,190 --> 00:36:41,760
that kind of surprised me i'm not

1007
00:36:44,790 --> 00:36:43,200
i'd like to think you know that would be

1008
00:36:47,910 --> 00:36:44,800
my reaction but

1009
00:36:50,710 --> 00:36:47,920
who knows uh she ran

1010
00:36:51,270 --> 00:36:50,720
after it with her dog who followed and

1011
00:36:53,109 --> 00:36:51,280
uh

1012
00:36:54,630 --> 00:36:53,119
gets to the t intersection and she can

1013
00:36:56,470 --> 00:36:54,640
see it's still walking down the very

1014
00:36:58,710 --> 00:36:56,480
center of the road

1015
00:36:59,910 --> 00:36:58,720
and it's moving faster than she can she

1016
00:37:01,829 --> 00:36:59,920
is when she's jogging

1017
00:37:03,349 --> 00:37:01,839
she doesn't want to you know sprint

1018
00:37:06,630 --> 00:37:03,359
after it it

1019
00:37:07,990 --> 00:37:06,640
did not appear to see her so she didn't

1020
00:37:10,550 --> 00:37:08,000
want to call attention to herself

1021
00:37:12,069 --> 00:37:10,560
but she followed it for a short distance

1022
00:37:15,109 --> 00:37:12,079
not even a minute

1023
00:37:17,270 --> 00:37:15,119
when it turned off into this cornfield

1024
00:37:19,430 --> 00:37:17,280
which was you know fully growing

1025
00:37:22,470 --> 00:37:19,440
cornfield and it disappeared

1026
00:37:26,470 --> 00:37:22,480
into the darkness in this cornfield and

1027
00:37:28,310 --> 00:37:26,480
it was gone yep freaked her out she

1028
00:37:29,910 --> 00:37:28,320
says it didn't really scare her so much

1029
00:37:30,790 --> 00:37:29,920
i asked her did you go jogging the next

1030
00:37:32,470 --> 00:37:30,800
day

1031
00:37:34,230 --> 00:37:32,480
he's like yeah of course i did i'm like

1032
00:37:36,950 --> 00:37:34,240
oh okay you know just curious

1033
00:37:37,910 --> 00:37:36,960
uh i asked her well what why do you

1034
00:37:39,589 --> 00:37:37,920
think it was there

1035
00:37:41,670 --> 00:37:39,599
you know what is there anything in this

1036
00:37:45,030 --> 00:37:41,680
corn field anything in this area at

1037
00:37:46,630 --> 00:37:45,040
all that might attract a 15 foot tall

1038
00:37:48,550 --> 00:37:46,640
praying mantis

1039
00:37:50,310 --> 00:37:48,560
she's like not that i can think of you

1040
00:37:53,349 --> 00:37:50,320
know it's a very rural area

1041
00:37:56,790 --> 00:37:53,359
lots of farms uh

1042
00:38:00,150 --> 00:37:56,800
fields of you know corn wheat and stuff

1043
00:38:01,910 --> 00:38:00,160
uh a school is nearby uh but she said

1044
00:38:02,950 --> 00:38:01,920
there's one thing and when she said this

1045
00:38:05,670 --> 00:38:02,960
i'm like oh

1046
00:38:06,069 --> 00:38:05,680
this could be some important she says

1047
00:38:09,349 --> 00:38:06,079
that

1048
00:38:10,870 --> 00:38:09,359
she lives six miles away you know as the

1049
00:38:14,550 --> 00:38:10,880
crow flies

1050
00:38:17,270 --> 00:38:14,560
from scott air force base

1051
00:38:18,310 --> 00:38:17,280
and when she said scott immediately

1052
00:38:21,910 --> 00:38:18,320
thought of that

1053
00:38:25,430 --> 00:38:21,920
encounter which which occurred

1054
00:38:28,790 --> 00:38:25,440
in that area scott air force base

1055
00:38:30,390 --> 00:38:28,800
in the year 2000 i think it was

1056
00:38:32,150 --> 00:38:30,400
where a bunch of you may remember a

1057
00:38:33,910 --> 00:38:32,160
bunch of police officers saw it

1058
00:38:35,270 --> 00:38:33,920
in different counties they basically

1059
00:38:37,829 --> 00:38:35,280
tracked it

1060
00:38:38,310 --> 00:38:37,839
yeah halfway across the state went right

1061
00:38:43,270 --> 00:38:38,320
by

1062
00:38:47,589 --> 00:38:45,270
but that i thought was kind of

1063
00:38:49,589 --> 00:38:47,599
interesting and she thought perhaps

1064
00:38:50,870 --> 00:38:49,599
that might have something to do with it

1065
00:38:54,150 --> 00:38:50,880
i do know you

1066
00:38:58,390 --> 00:38:54,160
air force bases attract ufos

1067
00:39:00,470 --> 00:38:58,400
so so maybe she did some digging herself

1068
00:39:01,430 --> 00:39:00,480
did find another encounter about 40

1069
00:39:02,950 --> 00:39:01,440
miles away

1070
00:39:04,870 --> 00:39:02,960
involving a gentleman who was out late

1071
00:39:06,630 --> 00:39:04,880
at night saw a

1072
00:39:09,030 --> 00:39:06,640
praying mantis crossing the road in

1073
00:39:11,430 --> 00:39:09,040
front of him it was on all fours it's

1074
00:39:12,870 --> 00:39:11,440
how he described it

1075
00:39:15,349 --> 00:39:12,880
so he couldn't really tell how tall it

1076
00:39:17,670 --> 00:39:15,359
was 15 foot or whatever

1077
00:39:18,390 --> 00:39:17,680
i usually hear like nine feet tall

1078
00:39:22,069 --> 00:39:18,400
they're about

1079
00:39:23,510 --> 00:39:22,079
eight six feet only once have i heard

1080
00:39:26,390 --> 00:39:23,520
anyone describe

1081
00:39:26,950 --> 00:39:26,400
15 foot tall and that was from a great

1082
00:39:30,310 --> 00:39:26,960
witness

1083
00:39:33,270 --> 00:39:30,320
a navy medic kevin cannon when he told

1084
00:39:35,589 --> 00:39:33,280
me 15 foot tall i'm like are you sure

1085
00:39:36,710 --> 00:39:35,599
he's like listen i was right up next to

1086
00:39:39,109 --> 00:39:36,720
this thing it touched him

1087
00:39:40,310 --> 00:39:39,119
grabbed his shoulder and he said it was

1088
00:39:43,109 --> 00:39:40,320
twice more than twice

1089
00:39:45,349 --> 00:39:43,119
his height he's almost six feet said it

1090
00:39:48,470 --> 00:39:45,359
was like looking up at a basketball

1091
00:39:52,310 --> 00:39:48,480
you know board a hoop

1092
00:39:53,670 --> 00:39:52,320
it was gigantic and she's sure it was 15

1093
00:39:55,270 --> 00:39:53,680
feet tall because she could measure it

1094
00:39:58,710 --> 00:39:55,280
against the street light she went

1095
00:40:01,910 --> 00:39:58,720
went there the next day and looked at it

1096
00:40:05,270 --> 00:40:01,920
when you get um such a bizarre story

1097
00:40:07,750 --> 00:40:05,280
like that how do you um

1098
00:40:09,270 --> 00:40:07,760
how do you vet a story when there's you

1099
00:40:10,870 --> 00:40:09,280
know when it's one witness that's a

1100
00:40:13,829 --> 00:40:10,880
that's a tough one i know

1101
00:40:14,150 --> 00:40:13,839
this is a school teacher someone you

1102
00:40:16,710 --> 00:40:14,160
think

1103
00:40:17,910 --> 00:40:16,720
would be a credible person to begin with

1104
00:40:21,030 --> 00:40:17,920
but i mean that's

1105
00:40:24,309 --> 00:40:21,040
that's such a bizarre story i mean

1106
00:40:26,230 --> 00:40:24,319
is it difficult for you to

1107
00:40:28,069 --> 00:40:26,240
you know interview someone like that and

1108
00:40:31,670 --> 00:40:28,079
and and take their word

1109
00:40:33,190 --> 00:40:31,680
for such a bizarre wacky story

1110
00:40:35,910 --> 00:40:33,200
i i don't know exactly what i'm trying

1111
00:40:37,750 --> 00:40:35,920
to say but yeah no i get it

1112
00:40:39,990 --> 00:40:37,760
i get a lot of people contacting me with

1113
00:40:43,030 --> 00:40:40,000
crazy stories

1114
00:40:45,109 --> 00:40:43,040
and what i often do is we'll ask them to

1115
00:40:48,390 --> 00:40:45,119
give me a written account what she did

1116
00:40:50,790 --> 00:40:48,400
um talk to them audibly uh

1117
00:40:51,910 --> 00:40:50,800
you know do a sort of informal interview

1118
00:40:54,230 --> 00:40:51,920
initially and then a

1119
00:40:55,670 --> 00:40:54,240
formal interview see if their story

1120
00:41:00,150 --> 00:40:55,680
changes

1121
00:41:03,270 --> 00:41:00,160
uh get you know uh

1122
00:41:04,790 --> 00:41:03,280
not corroborating witnesses but uh

1123
00:41:08,470 --> 00:41:04,800
what's the word i'm looking for people

1124
00:41:11,190 --> 00:41:08,480
who can vouch for her integrity

1125
00:41:13,190 --> 00:41:11,200
she told nobody she showed only her

1126
00:41:15,670 --> 00:41:13,200
immediate family

1127
00:41:17,750 --> 00:41:15,680
she insisted upon anonymity she wasn't

1128
00:41:19,109 --> 00:41:17,760
looking for any attention at all she was

1129
00:41:22,390 --> 00:41:19,119
very nervous about

1130
00:41:24,230 --> 00:41:22,400
you know that being exposed

1131
00:41:25,750 --> 00:41:24,240
uh these and there's all these little

1132
00:41:28,710 --> 00:41:25,760
things you kind of look for

1133
00:41:30,950 --> 00:41:28,720
she was pretty emotional about it and

1134
00:41:32,309 --> 00:41:30,960
the details she described

1135
00:41:34,550 --> 00:41:32,319
are things that i've heard from other

1136
00:41:36,390 --> 00:41:34,560
witnesses talked about this

1137
00:41:37,829 --> 00:41:36,400
they talk about how really thin and

1138
00:41:39,990 --> 00:41:37,839
stick like the limbs are

1139
00:41:41,510 --> 00:41:40,000
the way that front arms are hooked in

1140
00:41:45,109 --> 00:41:41,520
front of each other like a

1141
00:41:47,190 --> 00:41:45,119
sort of dog begging yeah on the gigantic

1142
00:41:49,990 --> 00:41:47,200
size of the eyes

1143
00:41:50,950 --> 00:41:50,000
at the way it moves in kind of a twitchy

1144
00:41:54,470 --> 00:41:50,960
manner

1145
00:41:57,109 --> 00:41:54,480
there's little details that sort of

1146
00:41:57,829 --> 00:41:57,119
speak towards their credibility but

1147
00:42:00,150 --> 00:41:57,839
ultimately

1148
00:42:03,910 --> 00:42:00,160
yeah i mean without physical evidence

1149
00:42:07,750 --> 00:42:06,950
yeah yeah that's that that's such a

1150
00:42:11,270 --> 00:42:07,760
bizarre one

1151
00:42:15,030 --> 00:42:11,280
in particular you know something that

1152
00:42:15,349 --> 00:42:15,040
that tall and walking down the street i

1153
00:42:16,870 --> 00:42:15,359
mean

1154
00:42:18,470 --> 00:42:16,880
it seems like something you'd just be

1155
00:42:21,990 --> 00:42:18,480
afraid that it would just reach down

1156
00:42:24,150 --> 00:42:22,000
and you know bite you in half something

1157
00:42:25,349 --> 00:42:24,160
yeah you know i i i asked her more you

1158
00:42:26,950 --> 00:42:25,359
know because of

1159
00:42:29,990 --> 00:42:26,960
often when someone sees something that

1160
00:42:33,510 --> 00:42:30,000
close um i feel like the et's

1161
00:42:37,349 --> 00:42:33,520
are showing themselves to that person or

1162
00:42:40,150 --> 00:42:37,359
um it's like usually part of a

1163
00:42:42,069 --> 00:42:40,160
what i call it a conglomeration or a

1164
00:42:44,870 --> 00:42:42,079
complex of greater

1165
00:42:45,670 --> 00:42:44,880
more encounters i mean it's continuum

1166
00:42:48,710 --> 00:42:45,680
and

1167
00:42:50,950 --> 00:42:48,720
impression at first that it was a

1168
00:42:52,230 --> 00:42:50,960
one-off you know this single a singular

1169
00:42:54,069 --> 00:42:52,240
event

1170
00:42:55,589 --> 00:42:54,079
but i'm like talking to her i'm like

1171
00:42:57,430 --> 00:42:55,599
okay can you know to ryan if i ask you a

1172
00:43:00,470 --> 00:42:57,440
few more questions

1173
00:43:03,030 --> 00:43:00,480
and she was absolutely open to it and uh

1174
00:43:03,510 --> 00:43:03,040
asked her about her childhood and i'm

1175
00:43:05,589 --> 00:43:03,520
not

1176
00:43:07,430 --> 00:43:05,599
did you have anything strange happened

1177
00:43:08,309 --> 00:43:07,440
to you when you were a child anything

1178
00:43:10,870 --> 00:43:08,319
you would consider

1179
00:43:11,990 --> 00:43:10,880
unexplained very open-ended you know i

1180
00:43:13,750 --> 00:43:12,000
don't say uh were you

1181
00:43:15,829 --> 00:43:13,760
visited by aliens you know i just want

1182
00:43:17,270 --> 00:43:15,839
to know anything that you couldn't

1183
00:43:19,910 --> 00:43:17,280
explain

1184
00:43:21,670 --> 00:43:19,920
and she said well yeah actually funny

1185
00:43:24,230 --> 00:43:21,680
you mentioned that

1186
00:43:26,870 --> 00:43:24,240
and actually started to talk i'm like oh

1187
00:43:27,510 --> 00:43:26,880
here we go again she started talking

1188
00:43:30,870 --> 00:43:27,520
about how

1189
00:43:33,910 --> 00:43:30,880
very short sort of uh dark

1190
00:43:36,150 --> 00:43:33,920
short figures would enter her room

1191
00:43:37,990 --> 00:43:36,160
in the wee hours of the morning late

1192
00:43:39,910 --> 00:43:38,000
late late at night

1193
00:43:41,589 --> 00:43:39,920
and surround her bed she said it was

1194
00:43:41,990 --> 00:43:41,599
very scary it happened over and over

1195
00:43:44,069 --> 00:43:42,000
again

1196
00:43:45,510 --> 00:43:44,079
she'd scream call for her parents they'd

1197
00:43:47,829 --> 00:43:45,520
come running in

1198
00:43:49,109 --> 00:43:47,839
nothing of course would be there but it

1199
00:43:50,870 --> 00:43:49,119
happened over and over again

1200
00:43:52,470 --> 00:43:50,880
so many times that her parents became

1201
00:43:54,550 --> 00:43:52,480
angry with her

1202
00:43:55,990 --> 00:43:54,560
told her to stop making stories you're

1203
00:43:59,109 --> 00:43:56,000
having nightmares

1204
00:43:59,750 --> 00:43:59,119
don't wake us up anymore which breaks my

1205
00:44:02,390 --> 00:43:59,760
heart because

1206
00:44:03,349 --> 00:44:02,400
these kids i mean i hear this all the

1207
00:44:05,510 --> 00:44:03,359
time

1208
00:44:06,710 --> 00:44:05,520
children are pretty much on their own

1209
00:44:09,910 --> 00:44:06,720
often when

1210
00:44:12,950 --> 00:44:09,920
dealing with these um first

1211
00:44:15,910 --> 00:44:12,960
contact situations

1212
00:44:17,670 --> 00:44:15,920
and she had an experience where she woke

1213
00:44:19,190 --> 00:44:17,680
up once and she wasn't in her bedroom

1214
00:44:21,430 --> 00:44:19,200
this is still when she's a little girl

1215
00:44:24,870 --> 00:44:21,440
four five six years old

1216
00:44:28,950 --> 00:44:24,880
she was in a rounded room on a table

1217
00:44:31,270 --> 00:44:28,960
with metallic she looks to her right she

1218
00:44:33,270 --> 00:44:31,280
sees metallic instruments she says it

1219
00:44:34,790 --> 00:44:33,280
was very felt like she was in a doctor's

1220
00:44:36,230 --> 00:44:34,800
office

1221
00:44:38,630 --> 00:44:36,240
couldn't see what these beings looked

1222
00:44:40,870 --> 00:44:38,640
like they were just sort of silhouettes

1223
00:44:43,270 --> 00:44:40,880
other than that they were very short and

1224
00:44:45,750 --> 00:44:43,280
moving about quite quickly

1225
00:44:48,309 --> 00:44:45,760
um and little details that i've heard

1226
00:44:51,109 --> 00:44:48,319
many times

1227
00:44:52,630 --> 00:44:51,119
and uh so yeah i think i mean she shows

1228
00:44:55,990 --> 00:44:52,640
all the markers of being

1229
00:44:58,550 --> 00:44:56,000
an abductee she had later sightings

1230
00:44:59,109 --> 00:44:58,560
and here's a really strange aspect to

1231
00:45:02,710 --> 00:44:59,119
her case

1232
00:45:06,069 --> 00:45:02,720
twice she saw what i'm

1233
00:45:08,950 --> 00:45:06,079
can only guess is a hybrid being

1234
00:45:09,750 --> 00:45:08,960
uh in in a public place like once at a i

1235
00:45:13,349 --> 00:45:09,760
believe it was a

1236
00:45:14,870 --> 00:45:13,359
sam's club uh you know

1237
00:45:16,790 --> 00:45:14,880
what do you call it not a department

1238
00:45:20,309 --> 00:45:16,800
store but along those lines

1239
00:45:21,990 --> 00:45:20,319
like target yeah and uh

1240
00:45:23,430 --> 00:45:22,000
didn't want to stare but finally turns

1241
00:45:24,950 --> 00:45:23,440
around and looks at this figure and it's

1242
00:45:27,910 --> 00:45:24,960
bald it's got huge

1243
00:45:29,190 --> 00:45:27,920
dark eyes little spriggles of hair is

1244
00:45:31,190 --> 00:45:29,200
how she's described it

1245
00:45:32,870 --> 00:45:31,200
big head was looking at her and she

1246
00:45:36,069 --> 00:45:32,880
quickly looks away

1247
00:45:38,870 --> 00:45:36,079
and looks back and it's gone gone in a

1248
00:45:40,550 --> 00:45:38,880
way that should not have been possible i

1249
00:45:42,390 --> 00:45:40,560
mean it moved away that quickly or just

1250
00:45:44,069 --> 00:45:42,400
disappeared

1251
00:45:47,430 --> 00:45:44,079
but yeah that was interesting because i

1252
00:45:50,470 --> 00:45:47,440
have heard this before people seeing

1253
00:45:51,589 --> 00:45:50,480
weird figures in places public places

1254
00:45:55,190 --> 00:45:51,599
where they should not

1255
00:45:57,829 --> 00:45:55,200
be very strange

1256
00:45:59,910 --> 00:45:57,839
yeah yeah this question up i'm putting

1257
00:46:01,750 --> 00:45:59,920
this up is this something you know about

1258
00:46:02,390 --> 00:46:01,760
can you expand on the latest video about

1259
00:46:05,430 --> 00:46:02,400
the new

1260
00:46:06,550 --> 00:46:05,440
maelstrom base ufo witness do you know

1261
00:46:08,790 --> 00:46:06,560
anything about that

1262
00:46:09,829 --> 00:46:08,800
in particular yeah yeah this is one of

1263
00:46:13,030 --> 00:46:09,839
the chapters in

1264
00:46:14,390 --> 00:46:13,040
the book oh it is so pardon me okay yeah

1265
00:46:17,750 --> 00:46:14,400
yeah yeah so yeah

1266
00:46:21,670 --> 00:46:17,760
if you would sure a good segue

1267
00:46:23,589 --> 00:46:21,680
uh yeah this shocked me actually when

1268
00:46:25,190 --> 00:46:23,599
this guy mel hansen is his name

1269
00:46:26,710 --> 00:46:25,200
contacted me

1270
00:46:28,630 --> 00:46:26,720
i had actually reached out to a couple

1271
00:46:31,910 --> 00:46:28,640
of researchers and radio stations and

1272
00:46:34,790 --> 00:46:31,920
got the run around which surprised me

1273
00:46:36,230 --> 00:46:34,800
uh but found me i'm really glad he did

1274
00:46:37,109 --> 00:46:36,240
i'm sure you've heard of the malmstrom

1275
00:46:40,150 --> 00:46:37,119
incident

1276
00:46:43,510 --> 00:46:40,160
oh yeah uh uh 1967.

1277
00:46:47,990 --> 00:46:45,829
exactly yeah he was the first

1278
00:46:51,190 --> 00:46:48,000
whistleblower to reveal that

1279
00:46:53,109 --> 00:46:51,200
ufos hovered over malmstrom uh this was

1280
00:46:57,030 --> 00:46:53,119
in

1281
00:46:57,510 --> 00:46:57,040
march of 1967 late at night and shut

1282
00:47:00,710 --> 00:46:57,520
down

1283
00:47:03,430 --> 00:47:00,720
almost 20 of the icbm

1284
00:47:05,510 --> 00:47:03,440
nuclear missiles boom boom boom boom

1285
00:47:07,510 --> 00:47:05,520
shut them down

1286
00:47:09,030 --> 00:47:07,520
and he located other witnesses

1287
00:47:14,790 --> 00:47:09,040
eventually put out a you know

1288
00:47:17,829 --> 00:47:14,800
public in 94 put out a book in 2005

1289
00:47:21,990 --> 00:47:17,839
and mel hansen the guy i talked to

1290
00:47:23,990 --> 00:47:22,000
his daughter was watching tv in 2015

1291
00:47:25,589 --> 00:47:24,000
and saw a report on this case on the

1292
00:47:27,589 --> 00:47:25,599
discovery channel

1293
00:47:28,870 --> 00:47:27,599
and immediately called her dad because

1294
00:47:31,589 --> 00:47:28,880
he had told her

1295
00:47:32,710 --> 00:47:31,599
his story of his participation in this

1296
00:47:36,630 --> 00:47:32,720
incident

1297
00:47:38,230 --> 00:47:36,640
she's like dad dad your story is on tv

1298
00:47:39,829 --> 00:47:38,240
he's like wow wow i guess i can talk

1299
00:47:42,630 --> 00:47:39,839
about it and so he

1300
00:47:44,630 --> 00:47:42,640
searched for a researcher found me and

1301
00:47:47,829 --> 00:47:44,640
told me this incredible story

1302
00:47:48,470 --> 00:47:47,839
uh he he was let's see he was 77 years

1303
00:47:50,630 --> 00:47:48,480
old

1304
00:47:52,390 --> 00:47:50,640
in 2015 he was really eager to get his

1305
00:47:56,230 --> 00:47:52,400
story told

1306
00:47:57,750 --> 00:47:56,240
and told me how he was i think 29 years

1307
00:48:00,870 --> 00:47:57,760
old at the time

1308
00:48:02,630 --> 00:48:00,880
of at malmstrom

1309
00:48:04,549 --> 00:48:02,640
and was actually at one of the missile

1310
00:48:07,270 --> 00:48:04,559
sites which is

1311
00:48:07,910 --> 00:48:07,280
pretty rural i mean it's right off the

1312
00:48:10,710 --> 00:48:07,920
edge

1313
00:48:11,270 --> 00:48:10,720
the outskirts of mountain room base

1314
00:48:13,829 --> 00:48:11,280
itself

1315
00:48:16,230 --> 00:48:13,839
out in the what we would i mean pretty

1316
00:48:17,910 --> 00:48:16,240
much wilderness area

1317
00:48:20,470 --> 00:48:17,920
and they were just doing routine

1318
00:48:22,470 --> 00:48:20,480
maintenance he and his crew

1319
00:48:23,990 --> 00:48:22,480
and he said it was a really eerie night

1320
00:48:25,750 --> 00:48:24,000
very quiet

1321
00:48:27,270 --> 00:48:25,760
wasn't a lot of animal sounds it was

1322
00:48:30,309 --> 00:48:27,280
unusual

1323
00:48:31,670 --> 00:48:30,319
and suddenly this dark shape approaches

1324
00:48:33,589 --> 00:48:31,680
overhead

1325
00:48:35,430 --> 00:48:33,599
and you can't really see it it's got no

1326
00:48:37,190 --> 00:48:35,440
lights on it it's just blocking out the

1327
00:48:40,230 --> 00:48:37,200
stars this huge

1328
00:48:42,069 --> 00:48:40,240
sort of roundish shape and it's

1329
00:48:44,630 --> 00:48:42,079
fairly low you can't tell how low

1330
00:48:45,910 --> 00:48:44,640
exactly but it's clearly very low and

1331
00:48:49,109 --> 00:48:45,920
very large

1332
00:48:50,630 --> 00:48:49,119
and stops right over the actual missile

1333
00:48:53,910 --> 00:48:50,640
site

1334
00:48:55,910 --> 00:48:53,920
and it's totally silent um and he's just

1335
00:48:56,549 --> 00:48:55,920
looking up at it the security guys he

1336
00:48:58,870 --> 00:48:56,559
was with

1337
00:49:01,589 --> 00:48:58,880
immediately called the base and said we

1338
00:49:03,510 --> 00:49:01,599
got something here over the missile

1339
00:49:04,870 --> 00:49:03,520
and they're like okay we'll send out a

1340
00:49:06,950 --> 00:49:04,880
jeep you know we'll send out

1341
00:49:09,190 --> 00:49:06,960
a crew it's going to take us an hour but

1342
00:49:11,910 --> 00:49:09,200
we'll we're on our way

1343
00:49:14,390 --> 00:49:11,920
and stay in the jeep do not go outside

1344
00:49:15,829 --> 00:49:14,400
it's what they told mel

1345
00:49:17,829 --> 00:49:15,839
so he's just watching this thing from

1346
00:49:19,910 --> 00:49:17,839
the jeep for

1347
00:49:21,589 --> 00:49:19,920
a long time finally he you know

1348
00:49:22,950 --> 00:49:21,599
curiosity gets the best of him he gets

1349
00:49:27,270 --> 00:49:22,960
outside and looks at this thing

1350
00:49:30,630 --> 00:49:27,280
at which point the missile shuts down

1351
00:49:32,950 --> 00:49:30,640
and uh at this point

1352
00:49:35,270 --> 00:49:32,960
you know there's fail safes to make it

1353
00:49:35,990 --> 00:49:35,280
go back online and the failsafe worked

1354
00:49:39,270 --> 00:49:36,000
it went back

1355
00:49:42,069 --> 00:49:39,280
onto the diesel power generator

1356
00:49:43,829 --> 00:49:42,079
and went back online and it was moments

1357
00:49:44,549 --> 00:49:43,839
later actually right after he got out

1358
00:49:47,910 --> 00:49:44,559
that

1359
00:49:51,030 --> 00:49:47,920
it failed again and went

1360
00:49:54,549 --> 00:49:51,040
on battery power and

1361
00:49:56,630 --> 00:49:54,559
went online again and then failed

1362
00:49:58,470 --> 00:49:56,640
again the third time and this time there

1363
00:50:01,510 --> 00:49:58,480
was no other fail safe

1364
00:50:04,150 --> 00:50:01,520
it was shut down for good

1365
00:50:05,829 --> 00:50:04,160
and at some point the security team

1366
00:50:08,870 --> 00:50:05,839
arrived and ordered them to

1367
00:50:11,030 --> 00:50:08,880
go back to the base and

1368
00:50:13,589 --> 00:50:11,040
he was given a briefing the next day to

1369
00:50:15,589 --> 00:50:13,599
not talk about this to anyone or you

1370
00:50:18,150 --> 00:50:15,599
will lose your job

1371
00:50:18,710 --> 00:50:18,160
they did in fact ship him off back to

1372
00:50:21,589 --> 00:50:18,720
hill

1373
00:50:24,150 --> 00:50:21,599
air force base in utah but yeah an

1374
00:50:27,270 --> 00:50:24,160
amazing case he absolutely verified

1375
00:50:28,710 --> 00:50:27,280
what robert salas uh initially

1376
00:50:30,470 --> 00:50:28,720
you know he was the first whistleblower

1377
00:50:32,069 --> 00:50:30,480
there's now several witnesses who have

1378
00:50:34,549 --> 00:50:32,079
come forward

1379
00:50:38,870 --> 00:50:34,559
and uh yeah i was just amazed to hear

1380
00:50:42,390 --> 00:50:41,109
really something um you know that when

1381
00:50:44,069 --> 00:50:42,400
those

1382
00:50:47,349 --> 00:50:44,079
i can't remember would you say 20 some

1383
00:50:49,510 --> 00:50:47,359
odd warheads went down

1384
00:50:50,549 --> 00:50:49,520
the most incredible part of that whole

1385
00:50:53,190 --> 00:50:50,559
thing is they're all

1386
00:50:54,549 --> 00:50:53,200
independent from each other in other

1387
00:50:58,870 --> 00:50:54,559
words there's nothing

1388
00:51:01,510 --> 00:50:58,880
that would could be shut down

1389
00:51:02,150 --> 00:51:01,520
as a unit in any type of way they're

1390
00:51:05,270 --> 00:51:02,160
they all

1391
00:51:07,349 --> 00:51:05,280
exactly independent yeah and they're

1392
00:51:09,750 --> 00:51:07,359
quite distant from each other

1393
00:51:10,710 --> 00:51:09,760
and you know there was an air force

1394
00:51:14,230 --> 00:51:10,720
investigation

1395
00:51:16,309 --> 00:51:14,240
and a cover-up but now researchers have

1396
00:51:18,390 --> 00:51:16,319
located documents verifying that the

1397
00:51:20,870 --> 00:51:18,400
missiles were shut down

1398
00:51:21,510 --> 00:51:20,880
but the air force scrubbed or the yeah

1399
00:51:24,230 --> 00:51:21,520
they scrubbed

1400
00:51:25,589 --> 00:51:24,240
any mention of ufos out of these

1401
00:51:28,309 --> 00:51:25,599
documents

1402
00:51:29,190 --> 00:51:28,319
they're still denying it happened but

1403
00:51:30,870 --> 00:51:29,200
it's not unique

1404
00:51:32,470 --> 00:51:30,880
and this happened in south dakota this

1405
00:51:33,750 --> 00:51:32,480
happened in russia i mean look at

1406
00:51:35,670 --> 00:51:33,760
rendlesham that's where we stored

1407
00:51:37,990 --> 00:51:35,680
nuclear anything nuclear

1408
00:51:38,950 --> 00:51:38,000
these guys are on it this is clearly i

1409
00:51:41,190 --> 00:51:38,960
mean in my mind

1410
00:51:42,390 --> 00:51:41,200
i'm speculating obviously but this is

1411
00:51:46,069 --> 00:51:42,400
clearly a warning

1412
00:51:48,390 --> 00:51:46,079
or a message like what are you doing

1413
00:51:49,990 --> 00:51:48,400
with nuclear weapons this is the number

1414
00:51:51,910 --> 00:51:50,000
one message or certainly

1415
00:51:53,270 --> 00:51:51,920
one of the most common messages given to

1416
00:51:55,190 --> 00:51:53,280
contactees

1417
00:51:56,870 --> 00:51:55,200
people are taken on board over and over

1418
00:51:59,670 --> 00:51:56,880
and over again

1419
00:52:00,710 --> 00:51:59,680
are told what are you doing with these

1420
00:52:02,790 --> 00:52:00,720
nuclear weapons

1421
00:52:04,790 --> 00:52:02,800
are you crazy you're going to kill

1422
00:52:06,230 --> 00:52:04,800
yourselves you're damaging areas that

1423
00:52:09,510 --> 00:52:06,240
you aren't even aware of

1424
00:52:11,829 --> 00:52:09,520
in other dimensions uh so yeah this is

1425
00:52:14,069 --> 00:52:11,839
a big big thing for the ets they're very

1426
00:52:15,510 --> 00:52:14,079
concerned clearly

1427
00:52:17,190 --> 00:52:15,520
i've talked about a number of times on

1428
00:52:19,109 --> 00:52:17,200
this show where

1429
00:52:21,030 --> 00:52:19,119
before i was really looking into this

1430
00:52:23,589 --> 00:52:21,040
topic very seriously at all i had an

1431
00:52:25,430 --> 00:52:23,599
insurance agent in the 1990s

1432
00:52:27,349 --> 00:52:25,440
somewhere i want to say in the beginning

1433
00:52:30,549 --> 00:52:27,359
of the 1990s

1434
00:52:33,510 --> 00:52:30,559
and he told me that he was

1435
00:52:36,150 --> 00:52:33,520
in the special forces navy that in the

1436
00:52:37,430 --> 00:52:36,160
navy that investigated ufos in vietnam

1437
00:52:38,950 --> 00:52:37,440
i remember him telling me that kind of

1438
00:52:39,750 --> 00:52:38,960
blew my mind but one of the things he

1439
00:52:42,390 --> 00:52:39,760
said

1440
00:52:44,710 --> 00:52:42,400
is there whatever they are they're very

1441
00:52:47,589 --> 00:52:44,720
very interested in our nuclear

1442
00:52:49,589 --> 00:52:47,599
weapons and power anywhere you know he

1443
00:52:53,349 --> 00:52:49,599
told me that at the same time

1444
00:52:55,589 --> 00:52:53,359
yeah i've got other cases like that

1445
00:52:57,030 --> 00:52:55,599
dr gary wagoner was a navy officer on

1446
00:52:59,670 --> 00:52:57,040
the uss long beach

1447
00:53:01,030 --> 00:52:59,680
guided nuclear-powered missile cruiser

1448
00:53:03,510 --> 00:53:01,040
they had an encounter

1449
00:53:05,270 --> 00:53:03,520
talked to ray sax an electrician's mate

1450
00:53:07,990 --> 00:53:05,280
on the uss klamagar

1451
00:53:09,270 --> 00:53:08,000
which in 1971 was carrying nuclear tips

1452
00:53:11,910 --> 00:53:09,280
torpedoes

1453
00:53:12,790 --> 00:53:11,920
they had a uso come right up alongside

1454
00:53:15,270 --> 00:53:12,800
their submarine

1455
00:53:16,069 --> 00:53:15,280
i mean right alongside it this is not

1456
00:53:19,510 --> 00:53:16,079
something

1457
00:53:22,390 --> 00:53:19,520
other submarines would ever do and

1458
00:53:23,030 --> 00:53:22,400
did not appear in sonar but um he ray

1459
00:53:24,870 --> 00:53:23,040
saw it

1460
00:53:26,950 --> 00:53:24,880
so did the commander the second in

1461
00:53:28,950 --> 00:53:26,960
command the other watch officer

1462
00:53:30,710 --> 00:53:28,960
and all the high-ranking officers came

1463
00:53:33,510 --> 00:53:30,720
up on deck the submarine was

1464
00:53:35,349 --> 00:53:33,520
you know on the surface and they saw it

1465
00:53:36,230 --> 00:53:35,359
too it paced their submarine for 15

1466
00:53:39,190 --> 00:53:36,240
minutes

1467
00:53:40,470 --> 00:53:39,200
these things are watching over anything

1468
00:53:42,630 --> 00:53:40,480
nuclear the

1469
00:53:44,710 --> 00:53:42,640
indian point nuclear power station in

1470
00:53:46,470 --> 00:53:44,720
upstate new york that was visited

1471
00:53:48,309 --> 00:53:46,480
and one other case i'd just love to

1472
00:53:53,030 --> 00:53:48,319
mention is the karns

1473
00:53:55,430 --> 00:53:53,040
city uranium mine i did a study of ufos

1474
00:53:56,390 --> 00:53:55,440
hovering over mines or landing even or

1475
00:53:58,870 --> 00:53:56,400
affecting

1476
00:54:00,630 --> 00:53:58,880
any kind of mines iron mines you know

1477
00:54:03,270 --> 00:54:00,640
copper mines you name it

1478
00:54:04,069 --> 00:54:03,280
but karn city had a uranium mine and a

1479
00:54:05,990 --> 00:54:04,079
ufo

1480
00:54:07,109 --> 00:54:06,000
hovered right over it sent down beams of

1481
00:54:08,790 --> 00:54:07,119
light

1482
00:54:10,549 --> 00:54:08,800
really affected the workers there some

1483
00:54:12,870 --> 00:54:10,559
of them were weeping they were

1484
00:54:14,309 --> 00:54:12,880
so shocked by what they were seeing and

1485
00:54:17,349 --> 00:54:14,319
when they finally

1486
00:54:19,349 --> 00:54:17,359
dug down to this uh uranium deposit it

1487
00:54:22,710 --> 00:54:19,359
was completely depleted

1488
00:54:25,510 --> 00:54:22,720
turned just chalk white so now another

1489
00:54:27,589 --> 00:54:25,520
clear message

1490
00:54:28,790 --> 00:54:27,599
that's right that's right really really

1491
00:54:31,589 --> 00:54:28,800
fascinating

1492
00:54:33,510 --> 00:54:31,599
yeah that um there i know uh robert

1493
00:54:36,150 --> 00:54:33,520
hasting does a lot of work

1494
00:54:37,589 --> 00:54:36,160
on that and you know eventually he's

1495
00:54:38,870 --> 00:54:37,599
going to be dropping out i hope someone

1496
00:54:41,109 --> 00:54:38,880
picks up the torch

1497
00:54:43,270 --> 00:54:41,119
and keeps moving ahead with uh doing

1498
00:54:43,829 --> 00:54:43,280
those investigations on on that whole

1499
00:54:46,309 --> 00:54:43,839
thing

1500
00:54:46,950 --> 00:54:46,319
we are going to go into break and uh

1501
00:54:49,349 --> 00:54:46,960
it's about

1502
00:54:50,150 --> 00:54:49,359
it's a three and a half minute break and

1503
00:54:53,349 --> 00:54:50,160
for those of you

1504
00:54:55,910 --> 00:54:53,359
over at kgra radio you will hear uh

1505
00:54:56,950 --> 00:54:55,920
commercials over there and everywhere

1506
00:54:59,190 --> 00:54:56,960
else

1507
00:55:01,270 --> 00:54:59,200
we are going to play a clip that i did

1508
00:55:02,710 --> 00:55:01,280
with uh stanton friedman this happened

1509
00:55:06,150 --> 00:55:02,720
right after

1510
00:55:10,309 --> 00:55:06,160
the new york times article back in

1511
00:55:11,990 --> 00:55:10,319
2007 2017 came out it was the week after

1512
00:55:14,630 --> 00:55:12,000
so here's just a little clip

1513
00:55:18,230 --> 00:55:14,640
and remember kgr a radio we'll be right

1514
00:55:24,789 --> 00:55:21,349
why would aliens come here

1515
00:55:26,950 --> 00:55:24,799
it's not a game we have a long history

1516
00:55:30,069 --> 00:55:26,960
on this planet of

1517
00:55:31,510 --> 00:55:30,079
beings from one place one country

1518
00:55:33,349 --> 00:55:31,520
giving a hard time to beings from

1519
00:55:36,470 --> 00:55:33,359
another country

1520
00:55:39,750 --> 00:55:36,480
and so we we see that all the time

1521
00:55:42,390 --> 00:55:39,760
we have aliens coming here who

1522
00:55:43,030 --> 00:55:42,400
you expect them to you know land on a

1523
00:55:48,710 --> 00:55:43,040
white house

1524
00:55:52,549 --> 00:55:48,720
lawn they have this is the first time

1525
00:55:54,549 --> 00:55:52,559
uh in recent history as far as we know

1526
00:55:55,990 --> 00:55:54,559
that we've been in a real position to

1527
00:56:00,069 --> 00:55:56,000
say

1528
00:56:03,030 --> 00:56:00,079
uh if we want to go to the stars we can

1529
00:56:04,789 --> 00:56:03,040
and turn that around what do you think

1530
00:56:09,109 --> 00:56:04,799
the aliens think about

1531
00:56:10,470 --> 00:56:09,119
that they would be concerned as all get

1532
00:56:14,309 --> 00:56:10,480
out about us

1533
00:56:16,150 --> 00:56:14,319
our track record is terrible

1534
00:56:17,910 --> 00:56:16,160
we keep forgetting that you know we're

1535
00:56:21,510 --> 00:56:17,920
nice guys everybody knows that

1536
00:56:21,910 --> 00:56:21,520
well we're not well we have no way to

1537
00:56:24,870 --> 00:56:21,920
tell

1538
00:56:26,789 --> 00:56:24,880
whether they're nice guys like us either

1539
00:56:29,510 --> 00:56:26,799
you know they haven't attacked us yet

1540
00:56:31,270 --> 00:56:29,520
that's true yeah yeah i'm not saying we

1541
00:56:32,549 --> 00:56:31,280
know what the future holds whether

1542
00:56:34,470 --> 00:56:32,559
they're going to give us another year

1543
00:56:37,510 --> 00:56:34,480
and say oh we've given them enough time

1544
00:56:38,069 --> 00:56:37,520
forget about it wipe it out we don't

1545
00:56:41,910 --> 00:56:38,079
know

1546
00:56:43,829 --> 00:56:41,920
but you can make a case

1547
00:56:45,670 --> 00:56:43,839
that if you have a sufficiently advanced

1548
00:56:48,870 --> 00:56:45,680
civilization that it knows some history

1549
00:56:51,190 --> 00:56:48,880
about its own beings in the neighborhood

1550
00:56:52,069 --> 00:56:51,200
that they've decided that getting along

1551
00:56:54,069 --> 00:56:52,079
is better

1552
00:56:56,309 --> 00:56:54,079
than throwing h-bombs at each other

1553
00:56:57,750 --> 00:56:56,319
don't you think

1554
00:57:00,069 --> 00:56:57,760
right at some point you've got to make

1555
00:57:01,990 --> 00:57:00,079
that decision because if you don't

1556
00:57:04,870 --> 00:57:02,000
we are going to be throwing h bonds and

1557
00:57:08,230 --> 00:57:04,880
we're going to be gone

1558
00:57:11,510 --> 00:57:08,240
so uh i i'm uh rationalists

1559
00:57:12,390 --> 00:57:11,520
i think the aliens are actings are going

1560
00:57:15,510 --> 00:57:12,400
to act

1561
00:57:17,109 --> 00:57:15,520
sensibly and i'm particularly intrigued

1562
00:57:18,630 --> 00:57:17,119
by the times that they have showed up

1563
00:57:21,589 --> 00:57:18,640
near nuclear weapons

1564
00:57:21,990 --> 00:57:21,599
testing right near nuclear installations

1565
00:57:23,829 --> 00:57:22,000
and

1566
00:57:25,190 --> 00:57:23,839
it's not because i'm a nuclear physicist

1567
00:57:27,750 --> 00:57:25,200
but nuclear

1568
00:57:28,230 --> 00:57:27,760
nuclear energy gives us a means to go

1569
00:57:31,430 --> 00:57:28,240
out

1570
00:57:34,870 --> 00:57:31,440
there and bother them and if i were an

1571
00:57:36,390 --> 00:57:34,880
alien i'd be very worried about that

1572
00:57:37,990 --> 00:57:36,400
you know as long as we were stuck on our

1573
00:57:39,270 --> 00:57:38,000
own planet i can see where they didn't

1574
00:57:42,069 --> 00:57:39,280
say ah let the

1575
00:57:44,390 --> 00:57:42,079
kids play their silly games but as soon

1576
00:57:47,750 --> 00:57:44,400
as you say they've exploded 2 000

1577
00:57:49,910 --> 00:57:47,760
nuclear weapons which we have

1578
00:57:51,670 --> 00:57:49,920
suddenly the whole local neighborhood is

1579
00:57:52,150 --> 00:57:51,680
within reach and that's one thing that

1580
00:57:55,270 --> 00:57:52,160
has

1581
00:57:58,870 --> 00:57:55,280
really changed since i began

1582
00:58:00,710 --> 00:57:58,880
work in ufology our concept of how many

1583
00:58:03,589 --> 00:58:00,720
planets there are

1584
00:58:04,789 --> 00:58:03,599
and how many uh you know are in the

1585
00:58:08,710 --> 00:58:04,799
neighborhood

1586
00:58:10,549 --> 00:58:08,720
has changed drastically frank drake said

1587
00:58:13,670 --> 00:58:10,559
not too many years ago there might be as

1588
00:58:16,549 --> 00:58:13,680
many as 8 000 planets out there

1589
00:58:17,510 --> 00:58:16,559
now we're talking 8 billion it's

1590
00:58:20,150 --> 00:58:17,520
probably a lot more

1591
00:58:21,510 --> 00:58:20,160
ball game yeah yeah i'm not saying

1592
00:58:23,349 --> 00:58:21,520
that's the limit

1593
00:58:25,829 --> 00:58:23,359
at least 8 billion in our own little

1594
00:58:30,150 --> 00:58:25,839
galaxy

1595
00:58:32,789 --> 00:58:30,160
so what i'm saying is our status

1596
00:58:34,390 --> 00:58:32,799
we are guaranteed i i can't believe

1597
00:58:51,670 --> 00:58:34,400
we're not of concern to

1598
00:58:54,710 --> 00:58:51,680
others in the galaxy

1599
00:58:57,750 --> 00:58:54,720
stand by coming back in three two

1600
00:58:58,069 --> 00:58:57,760
one go all right welcome back to the

1601
00:59:01,109 --> 00:58:58,079
show

1602
00:59:01,910 --> 00:59:01,119
my guest is preston dennett and wasn't

1603
00:59:04,069 --> 00:59:01,920
that fitting

1604
00:59:06,150 --> 00:59:04,079
i i picked that clip uh halfway through

1605
00:59:08,549 --> 00:59:06,160
the week for this commercial

1606
00:59:10,470 --> 00:59:08,559
um from the interview i did and back in

1607
00:59:16,230 --> 00:59:10,480
2017

1608
00:59:17,990 --> 00:59:16,240
it just kind of dovetailed perfectly

1609
00:59:18,950 --> 00:59:18,000
with what we were talking about when we

1610
00:59:23,030 --> 00:59:18,960
went into break

1611
00:59:25,990 --> 00:59:23,040
isn't that something synchronicity

1612
00:59:27,510 --> 00:59:26,000
yeah that's right that's right uh so

1613
00:59:29,829 --> 00:59:27,520
there was uh

1614
00:59:31,829 --> 00:59:29,839
um there there it's been like you

1615
00:59:33,270 --> 00:59:31,839
mentioned so many cases i know there was

1616
00:59:38,870 --> 00:59:33,280
uh also

1617
00:59:42,230 --> 00:59:41,349
right over the uh where the exchange uh

1618
00:59:43,510 --> 00:59:42,240
water would come

1619
00:59:46,230 --> 00:59:43,520
you know how they go out sometimes like

1620
00:59:48,470 --> 00:59:46,240
a mile out from a nuclear power plant

1621
00:59:49,990 --> 00:59:48,480
they have that water exchange out there

1622
00:59:51,510 --> 00:59:50,000
and there was one who hovering right

1623
00:59:54,230 --> 00:59:51,520
over where the water was

1624
00:59:55,270 --> 00:59:54,240
being exchanged i remember hearing that

1625
00:59:59,510 --> 00:59:55,280
particular uh

1626
01:00:00,870 --> 00:59:59,520
nuke plant type of thing way way back

1627
01:00:03,510 --> 01:00:00,880
you know it makes you wonder about every

1628
01:00:06,950 --> 01:00:03,520
every bit of it you know

1629
01:00:08,390 --> 01:00:06,960
um um they're keeping track tabs of our

1630
01:00:12,470 --> 01:00:08,400
technology for sure

1631
01:00:14,309 --> 01:00:12,480
at the very least yeah and you know um

1632
01:00:16,150 --> 01:00:14,319
the nuclear waste is the worst part of

1633
01:00:18,470 --> 01:00:16,160
nuclear power i mean that

1634
01:00:20,230 --> 01:00:18,480
that's something has to be guarded for

1635
01:00:20,789 --> 01:00:20,240
thousands and thousands of years up to

1636
01:00:23,670 --> 01:00:20,799
200

1637
01:00:24,309 --> 01:00:23,680
000 years you know for our quick little

1638
01:00:27,349 --> 01:00:24,319
use of it

1639
01:00:29,750 --> 01:00:27,359
in a 100 year span uh

1640
01:00:30,390 --> 01:00:29,760
it's crazy so you know maybe they are

1641
01:00:32,950 --> 01:00:30,400
hopefully

1642
01:00:35,589 --> 01:00:32,960
uh that will get the message a little

1643
01:00:38,069 --> 01:00:35,599
bit when it comes to that

1644
01:00:40,630 --> 01:00:38,079
i hope so yeah the mountain case isn't

1645
01:00:42,789 --> 01:00:40,640
unique like i said

1646
01:00:43,910 --> 01:00:42,799
yeah now there was a great uh there was

1647
01:00:46,069 --> 01:00:43,920
a another

1648
01:00:48,230 --> 01:00:46,079
uh great question that came up here but

1649
01:00:49,829 --> 01:00:48,240
i i do want to tell people remind you

1650
01:00:51,829 --> 01:00:49,839
remind the people in the chat when you

1651
01:00:52,870 --> 01:00:51,839
want to ask a question please put it in

1652
01:00:54,950 --> 01:00:52,880
all caps

1653
01:00:56,710 --> 01:00:54,960
so it stands out and i can quickly get

1654
01:00:59,829 --> 01:00:56,720
to it and uh

1655
01:01:01,829 --> 01:00:59,839
um let's talk about another um

1656
01:01:03,349 --> 01:01:01,839
i guess i'm gonna have to ask you one is

1657
01:01:06,710 --> 01:01:03,359
i know that you said the

1658
01:01:09,829 --> 01:01:06,720
uso case was kind of one of the most

1659
01:01:11,510 --> 01:01:09,839
wild ones and it really is crazy what

1660
01:01:13,109 --> 01:01:11,520
was some of the other ones or let's talk

1661
01:01:15,750 --> 01:01:13,119
about another case that you really

1662
01:01:17,190 --> 01:01:15,760
um looked into that was fascinating to

1663
01:01:20,069 --> 01:01:17,200
you

1664
01:01:20,710 --> 01:01:20,079
uh that's the only uso case in that book

1665
01:01:23,190 --> 01:01:20,720
though i did

1666
01:01:24,870 --> 01:01:23,200
you know i mean i mean other other cases

1667
01:01:28,230 --> 01:01:24,880
in the book is what i meant

1668
01:01:28,870 --> 01:01:28,240
yeah that were fascinating oh gosh

1669
01:01:32,150 --> 01:01:28,880
there's

1670
01:01:32,789 --> 01:01:32,160
so many uh fascinating cases uh one i

1671
01:01:35,190 --> 01:01:32,799
find

1672
01:01:36,309 --> 01:01:35,200
very interesting was this couple from

1673
01:01:39,670 --> 01:01:36,319
canada

1674
01:01:40,390 --> 01:01:39,680
who contacted me after i'm reaching a

1675
01:01:42,789 --> 01:01:40,400
number of

1676
01:01:45,829 --> 01:01:42,799
other researchers who they weren't happy

1677
01:01:48,870 --> 01:01:45,839
with they found me it's always my first

1678
01:01:51,990 --> 01:01:48,880
sort of duty my my goal to help people

1679
01:01:53,510 --> 01:01:52,000
uh but that's you know what i really try

1680
01:01:55,270 --> 01:01:53,520
to do first

1681
01:01:56,630 --> 01:01:55,280
uh and if they want to share their story

1682
01:01:58,789 --> 01:01:56,640
later that's fine but uh

1683
01:02:00,630 --> 01:01:58,799
i i talk to a lot of people whose

1684
01:02:02,150 --> 01:02:00,640
stories and they just don't want to go

1685
01:02:04,789 --> 01:02:02,160
public

1686
01:02:05,990 --> 01:02:04,799
which is totally fine these this couple

1687
01:02:09,589 --> 01:02:06,000
did eventually agree to an

1688
01:02:12,390 --> 01:02:09,599
interview but in 2006 that a very

1689
01:02:15,589 --> 01:02:12,400
interesting thing happened uh they had

1690
01:02:18,390 --> 01:02:15,599
just moved to a small town in canada

1691
01:02:19,510 --> 01:02:18,400
she was originally from europe and was

1692
01:02:21,510 --> 01:02:19,520
having a little bit of trouble with

1693
01:02:24,069 --> 01:02:21,520
citizenship status

1694
01:02:25,990 --> 01:02:24,079
that a new house that needed repairs he

1695
01:02:27,510 --> 01:02:26,000
was had just settled into a new job they

1696
01:02:29,349 --> 01:02:27,520
were starting a business

1697
01:02:30,710 --> 01:02:29,359
they had a lot going on when they became

1698
01:02:32,309 --> 01:02:30,720
pregnant

1699
01:02:34,069 --> 01:02:32,319
and this was kind of an unplanned

1700
01:02:38,390 --> 01:02:34,079
pregnancy but they were

1701
01:02:40,470 --> 01:02:38,400
of course delighted their first uh baby

1702
01:02:42,309 --> 01:02:40,480
and it proceeded naturally everything

1703
01:02:43,750 --> 01:02:42,319
was great they got a midwife

1704
01:02:45,910 --> 01:02:43,760
they wanted to have a natural pregnancy

1705
01:02:47,990 --> 01:02:45,920
but they did go to the doctor

1706
01:02:49,349 --> 01:02:48,000
verified the pregnancy they sent me the

1707
01:02:52,309 --> 01:02:49,359
doctor reports

1708
01:02:53,510 --> 01:02:52,319
and the midwife reports and just you

1709
01:02:55,109 --> 01:02:53,520
know started to hear the baby's

1710
01:02:58,549 --> 01:02:55,119
heartbeat i think it was like around

1711
01:02:59,109 --> 01:02:58,559
four months or so like she her belly

1712
01:03:02,230 --> 01:02:59,119
grew

1713
01:03:03,190 --> 01:03:02,240
you know blood tests confirmed this i

1714
01:03:06,150 --> 01:03:03,200
went to the doctor

1715
01:03:06,950 --> 01:03:06,160
heard the baby's heartbeat several times

1716
01:03:09,510 --> 01:03:06,960
and

1717
01:03:11,190 --> 01:03:09,520
it was about seven months into the

1718
01:03:13,029 --> 01:03:11,200
pregnancy

1719
01:03:15,750 --> 01:03:13,039
that they were driving to a friend's

1720
01:03:18,230 --> 01:03:15,760
house who lived about an hour away

1721
01:03:19,349 --> 01:03:18,240
and next thing they know they got

1722
01:03:20,950 --> 01:03:19,359
disoriented

1723
01:03:23,670 --> 01:03:20,960
and they're arriving at their friend's

1724
01:03:25,829 --> 01:03:23,680
house uh early like

1725
01:03:27,349 --> 01:03:25,839
they couldn't tell how you know what

1726
01:03:28,950 --> 01:03:27,359
exactly happened but they wrote

1727
01:03:31,109 --> 01:03:28,960
arrived like 20 minutes earlier than

1728
01:03:32,710 --> 01:03:31,119
they thought they should have

1729
01:03:34,309 --> 01:03:32,720
they were really confused by that didn't

1730
01:03:37,750 --> 01:03:34,319
know what to make of it

1731
01:03:41,270 --> 01:03:37,760
never really thought anything of it that

1732
01:03:43,349 --> 01:03:41,280
though until they were seven and a half

1733
01:03:46,470 --> 01:03:43,359
months along

1734
01:03:48,309 --> 01:03:46,480
in the pregnancy and uh

1735
01:03:50,390 --> 01:03:48,319
they woke up one evening to this

1736
01:03:52,630 --> 01:03:50,400
electrical storm over their house

1737
01:03:54,470 --> 01:03:52,640
it was like right over their house he

1738
01:03:57,430 --> 01:03:54,480
jumps up to shut the window

1739
01:03:58,789 --> 01:03:57,440
because the lightning is just super

1740
01:04:01,349 --> 01:03:58,799
intense

1741
01:04:03,190 --> 01:04:01,359
and as he's closing the window he sees

1742
01:04:07,190 --> 01:04:03,200
this bolt of lightning will go

1743
01:04:10,549 --> 01:04:08,710
right right outside the window

1744
01:04:12,710 --> 01:04:10,559
completely freaked him out

1745
01:04:14,390 --> 01:04:12,720
slams the window closed jumps back into

1746
01:04:16,230 --> 01:04:14,400
bed they're

1747
01:04:18,789 --> 01:04:16,240
pretty much uh you know the adrenaline's

1748
01:04:21,270 --> 01:04:18,799
pumping because this is a big storm

1749
01:04:22,549 --> 01:04:21,280
and strangely that's all they remember

1750
01:04:24,870 --> 01:04:22,559
they both

1751
01:04:26,630 --> 01:04:24,880
immediately fell asleep they thought

1752
01:04:29,270 --> 01:04:26,640
that was kind of strange

1753
01:04:30,150 --> 01:04:29,280
woke up the next morning and she's like

1754
01:04:33,190 --> 01:04:30,160
they both felt

1755
01:04:35,270 --> 01:04:33,200
groggy a little bit out of it uh

1756
01:04:36,950 --> 01:04:35,280
and she says honey i don't feel pregnant

1757
01:04:37,910 --> 01:04:36,960
he's like don't be ridiculous what are

1758
01:04:41,510 --> 01:04:37,920
you talking about

1759
01:04:43,109 --> 01:04:41,520
just look at my stomach it's not as big

1760
01:04:45,430 --> 01:04:43,119
and he had to agree that yeah it looked

1761
01:04:48,069 --> 01:04:45,440
like she had shrunk down a little bit

1762
01:04:48,789 --> 01:04:48,079
at that time their baby was in a breech

1763
01:04:50,789 --> 01:04:48,799
position

1764
01:04:52,390 --> 01:04:50,799
and their midwife had been giving them

1765
01:04:54,630 --> 01:04:52,400
exercises to sort of

1766
01:04:56,069 --> 01:04:54,640
encourage the baby to move into a better

1767
01:04:58,150 --> 01:04:56,079
position

1768
01:05:00,230 --> 01:04:58,160
i thought maybe that's what's going on

1769
01:05:01,589 --> 01:05:00,240
here but she's like no honey i don't

1770
01:05:03,190 --> 01:05:01,599
feel pregnant i think we should go to

1771
01:05:05,109 --> 01:05:03,200
the doctor

1772
01:05:07,750 --> 01:05:05,119
they had an appointment i think it was

1773
01:05:10,230 --> 01:05:07,760
three or four days

1774
01:05:10,789 --> 01:05:10,240
after that they decided to move it up

1775
01:05:13,750 --> 01:05:10,799
they were going to

1776
01:05:14,710 --> 01:05:13,760
get an ultrasound and they went to the

1777
01:05:18,069 --> 01:05:14,720
doctor

1778
01:05:20,390 --> 01:05:18,079
did tests

1779
01:05:22,230 --> 01:05:20,400
and she was no longer pregnant she says

1780
01:05:24,870 --> 01:05:22,240
i'm really sorry you're not pregnant

1781
01:05:26,630 --> 01:05:24,880
like what are you talking about of

1782
01:05:28,549 --> 01:05:26,640
course we're pregnant i mean

1783
01:05:29,910 --> 01:05:28,559
the test confirmed it you've you heard

1784
01:05:31,589 --> 01:05:29,920
the heartbeat yourself

1785
01:05:33,109 --> 01:05:31,599
he's like yeah yeah i know i mean i

1786
01:05:35,589 --> 01:05:33,119
don't know what to tell you

1787
01:05:37,750 --> 01:05:35,599
uh there must have been a misdiagnosis

1788
01:05:38,630 --> 01:05:37,760
there might be disciplinary action taken

1789
01:05:41,029 --> 01:05:38,640
here

1790
01:05:43,349 --> 01:05:41,039
we have no explanation did you pass any

1791
01:05:45,349 --> 01:05:43,359
tissue did you spontaneously abort

1792
01:05:47,270 --> 01:05:45,359
she's like no no she denied that she

1793
01:05:51,190 --> 01:05:47,280
didn't

1794
01:05:52,630 --> 01:05:51,200
or anything other than

1795
01:05:54,309 --> 01:05:52,640
i think there was a mark on the bottom

1796
01:05:57,190 --> 01:05:54,319
of her foot

1797
01:05:58,150 --> 01:05:57,200
and uh they didn't know what to make of

1798
01:06:01,670 --> 01:05:58,160
it

1799
01:06:04,630 --> 01:06:01,680
but they were not pregnant anymore

1800
01:06:05,349 --> 01:06:04,640
did they do a sonogram um i believe so

1801
01:06:08,630 --> 01:06:05,359
yeah they took

1802
01:06:10,069 --> 01:06:08,640
full-on tests and no evidence of the

1803
01:06:12,150 --> 01:06:10,079
baby

1804
01:06:13,670 --> 01:06:12,160
uh but she i mean there was still

1805
01:06:15,750 --> 01:06:13,680
evidence that she was pregnant her but

1806
01:06:17,589 --> 01:06:15,760
her belly was still you know somewhat

1807
01:06:20,630 --> 01:06:17,599
enlarged

1808
01:06:22,230 --> 01:06:20,640
and i started asking more questions i'm

1809
01:06:24,150 --> 01:06:22,240
like do you have any history of ufo

1810
01:06:25,589 --> 01:06:24,160
encounters

1811
01:06:27,029 --> 01:06:25,599
because they had done a long search to

1812
01:06:29,029 --> 01:06:27,039
figure out what you know what could how

1813
01:06:30,390 --> 01:06:29,039
could a baby just disappear

1814
01:06:32,390 --> 01:06:30,400
and they eventually came upon the

1815
01:06:33,190 --> 01:06:32,400
subject of you know the missing fetus

1816
01:06:35,109 --> 01:06:33,200
syndrome

1817
01:06:36,950 --> 01:06:35,119
which is a thing in this field as i'm

1818
01:06:38,630 --> 01:06:36,960
sure you know

1819
01:06:40,390 --> 01:06:38,640
i've talked to a number of people who've

1820
01:06:43,109 --> 01:06:40,400
had this happen to them

1821
01:06:45,109 --> 01:06:43,119
it's not uncommon even i'd say most

1822
01:06:46,390 --> 01:06:45,119
pretty much every book i've written

1823
01:06:49,029 --> 01:06:46,400
about people who are having major

1824
01:06:53,109 --> 01:06:49,039
encounters there's a case like this

1825
01:06:57,109 --> 01:06:53,119
but usually it's maybe three months in

1826
01:06:59,349 --> 01:06:57,119
never seven and a half months but they

1827
01:07:01,349 --> 01:06:59,359
told me yeah we both have a history of

1828
01:07:04,950 --> 01:07:01,359
encounters he had seen ufos

1829
01:07:08,789 --> 01:07:04,960
earlier as had his father

1830
01:07:11,190 --> 01:07:08,799
and she also um was really into psychic

1831
01:07:14,309 --> 01:07:11,200
powers and stuff her her dad was a

1832
01:07:17,510 --> 01:07:14,319
famous psychical researcher in europe

1833
01:07:19,750 --> 01:07:17,520
and she says that she's visited

1834
01:07:20,950 --> 01:07:19,760
by light beings what she calls glowing

1835
01:07:23,430 --> 01:07:20,960
figures

1836
01:07:26,150 --> 01:07:23,440
in her bedroom on and off throughout her

1837
01:07:28,789 --> 01:07:26,160
life this has happened to her

1838
01:07:29,670 --> 01:07:28,799
so that was a red flag for me this is

1839
01:07:32,950 --> 01:07:29,680
something that

1840
01:07:34,710 --> 01:07:32,960
you know i kind of expected that

1841
01:07:36,069 --> 01:07:34,720
there was a history of ufo encounters

1842
01:07:38,309 --> 01:07:36,079
here

1843
01:07:39,270 --> 01:07:38,319
and they were of course devastated they

1844
01:07:41,829 --> 01:07:39,280
cried

1845
01:07:42,390 --> 01:07:41,839
and were pretty upset about it but she

1846
01:07:45,270 --> 01:07:42,400
actually

1847
01:07:46,549 --> 01:07:45,280
came to grips with this pretty quickly

1848
01:07:50,069 --> 01:07:46,559
she said you know i'm

1849
01:07:51,670 --> 01:07:50,079
actually not that upset i just know i

1850
01:07:54,309 --> 01:07:51,680
know i know i know

1851
01:07:55,029 --> 01:07:54,319
that my baby is still alive i can feel

1852
01:07:57,349 --> 01:07:55,039
it

1853
01:07:58,630 --> 01:07:57,359
he's in good hands he's out there

1854
01:08:01,349 --> 01:07:58,640
somewhere

1855
01:08:03,270 --> 01:08:01,359
and yeah they think their baby is with

1856
01:08:05,510 --> 01:08:03,280
the et's now

1857
01:08:06,870 --> 01:08:05,520
and uh yeah he had a harder time with it

1858
01:08:08,789 --> 01:08:06,880
than she did

1859
01:08:10,069 --> 01:08:08,799
and they had to tell both their you know

1860
01:08:10,870 --> 01:08:10,079
their whole family they had built a

1861
01:08:13,910 --> 01:08:10,880
nursery

1862
01:08:15,670 --> 01:08:13,920
painted it got cribs the whole deal had

1863
01:08:17,189 --> 01:08:15,680
a baby shower

1864
01:08:18,870 --> 01:08:17,199
and had to tell both sets of their

1865
01:08:21,030 --> 01:08:18,880
parents and their whole family

1866
01:08:22,870 --> 01:08:21,040
some of who were very religious what

1867
01:08:23,669 --> 01:08:22,880
happened and they didn't hold back they

1868
01:08:26,950 --> 01:08:23,679
said

1869
01:08:29,030 --> 01:08:26,960
we believe aliens took our baby and

1870
01:08:30,470 --> 01:08:29,040
people reacted in their own different

1871
01:08:32,229 --> 01:08:30,480
ways

1872
01:08:34,390 --> 01:08:32,239
but they eventually came to terms with

1873
01:08:38,550 --> 01:08:34,400
it yeah it's a

1874
01:08:41,669 --> 01:08:38,560
amazing case well in a case like that

1875
01:08:42,309 --> 01:08:41,679
you would almost think that oh geez i

1876
01:08:45,430 --> 01:08:42,319
don't know

1877
01:08:48,309 --> 01:08:45,440
that medical

1878
01:08:50,470 --> 01:08:48,319
research would be done or something if

1879
01:08:52,149 --> 01:08:50,480
they actually had

1880
01:08:54,870 --> 01:08:52,159
like physical evidence that there was a

1881
01:08:55,669 --> 01:08:54,880
baby and then no baby passed at seven

1882
01:08:57,349 --> 01:08:55,679
months

1883
01:08:59,269 --> 01:08:57,359
it's going to be a major thing at seven

1884
01:09:01,430 --> 01:08:59,279
months you know what i mean

1885
01:09:02,630 --> 01:09:01,440
so yeah oh the doctors were freaked out

1886
01:09:03,829 --> 01:09:02,640
they're like please come back you know

1887
01:09:06,709 --> 01:09:03,839
if you ever get pregnant

1888
01:09:08,070 --> 01:09:06,719
you're first in line which kind of

1889
01:09:09,349 --> 01:09:08,080
shocked them because they were having a

1890
01:09:11,349 --> 01:09:09,359
lot of trouble

1891
01:09:12,630 --> 01:09:11,359
getting medical care and now suddenly

1892
01:09:14,950 --> 01:09:12,640
they're like being

1893
01:09:16,550 --> 01:09:14,960
invited back and like please please come

1894
01:09:18,390 --> 01:09:16,560
back

1895
01:09:19,990 --> 01:09:18,400
so they thought that was significant the

1896
01:09:21,669 --> 01:09:20,000
doctors were very

1897
01:09:23,269 --> 01:09:21,679
very interested in what had happened to

1898
01:09:25,910 --> 01:09:23,279
them

1899
01:09:28,550 --> 01:09:25,920
um did you already talk about like a

1900
01:09:31,590 --> 01:09:28,560
government whistleblower

1901
01:09:33,030 --> 01:09:31,600
is that was that yeah this is a really

1902
01:09:34,470 --> 01:09:33,040
interesting case which i have not talked

1903
01:09:35,910 --> 01:09:34,480
about yet i was hoping i would get to

1904
01:09:38,789 --> 01:09:35,920
mention this

1905
01:09:40,470 --> 01:09:38,799
too um because this was a guy who

1906
01:09:43,910 --> 01:09:40,480
contacted me he was a

1907
01:09:45,269 --> 01:09:43,920
government subcontractor and often went

1908
01:09:48,910 --> 01:09:45,279
to military bases

1909
01:09:50,630 --> 01:09:48,920
in a civilian capacity but in the late

1910
01:09:52,550 --> 01:09:50,640
1980s

1911
01:09:54,550 --> 01:09:52,560
he was invited to do a project at

1912
01:09:56,790 --> 01:09:54,560
edwards air force base

1913
01:09:58,229 --> 01:09:56,800
and when he mentioned edwards my ears

1914
01:10:00,229 --> 01:09:58,239
immediately pricked up because

1915
01:10:03,430 --> 01:10:00,239
i mean if you know edwards their neck

1916
01:10:06,790 --> 01:10:03,440
deep involved in ufos

1917
01:10:08,149 --> 01:10:06,800
sightings landings i mean the eisenhower

1918
01:10:11,590 --> 01:10:08,159
meeting i'm sure you've heard of that

1919
01:10:13,510 --> 01:10:11,600
or the gordon cooper

1920
01:10:14,870 --> 01:10:13,520
landing on the runway which was actually

1921
01:10:17,750 --> 01:10:14,880
filmed

1922
01:10:19,830 --> 01:10:17,760
lots and lots of sightings yes crash

1923
01:10:21,030 --> 01:10:19,840
retrieval reports reverse engineering

1924
01:10:25,350 --> 01:10:21,040
reports i mean it's just

1925
01:10:26,870 --> 01:10:25,360
neck deep and uh so this guy contacts me

1926
01:10:28,950 --> 01:10:26,880
um because he had this experience at

1927
01:10:30,390 --> 01:10:28,960
edwards uh he had

1928
01:10:32,310 --> 01:10:30,400
called to his employer to do some

1929
01:10:35,830 --> 01:10:32,320
contracting work

1930
01:10:38,790 --> 01:10:35,840
and uh they're walking by this

1931
01:10:39,990 --> 01:10:38,800
uh what do you call a hanger and the

1932
01:10:43,270 --> 01:10:40,000
hanger has this big

1933
01:10:46,470 --> 01:10:43,280
window open and he could hear this loud

1934
01:10:47,430 --> 01:10:46,480
thrumming noise this sort of deep that

1935
01:10:50,630 --> 01:10:47,440
bass

1936
01:10:53,430 --> 01:10:50,640
sound just says kind of

1937
01:10:54,630 --> 01:10:53,440
sound and turns and looks and gets a

1938
01:10:56,310 --> 01:10:54,640
real shock

1939
01:10:59,669 --> 01:10:56,320
because through the window here he can

1940
01:11:02,790 --> 01:10:59,679
see what looks like a ufo

1941
01:11:06,950 --> 01:11:02,800
bright shiny chrome silver

1942
01:11:09,750 --> 01:11:06,960
object about the size of a honda accord

1943
01:11:10,709 --> 01:11:09,760
is how he described it a tiny little

1944
01:11:13,750 --> 01:11:10,719
sports car

1945
01:11:14,709 --> 01:11:13,760
type deal no windows nothing on it no

1946
01:11:16,550 --> 01:11:14,719
markings

1947
01:11:18,870 --> 01:11:16,560
but it's floating it's floating in the

1948
01:11:21,669 --> 01:11:18,880
air there are cables attached to it

1949
01:11:22,229 --> 01:11:21,679
but it does appear to be floating and

1950
01:11:23,910 --> 01:11:22,239
he's

1951
01:11:25,510 --> 01:11:23,920
super impressed i mean it's clearly

1952
01:11:25,990 --> 01:11:25,520
unusual and he turns to his employer and

1953
01:11:28,870 --> 01:11:26,000
says what

1954
01:11:29,590 --> 01:11:28,880
the heck is that and his employer

1955
01:11:31,990 --> 01:11:29,600
glances

1956
01:11:33,830 --> 01:11:32,000
and turns white as a sheet and jams his

1957
01:11:34,229 --> 01:11:33,840
index finger against his lips and says

1958
01:11:36,870 --> 01:11:34,239
you know

1959
01:11:37,510 --> 01:11:36,880
shut up didn't say anything but made it

1960
01:11:40,709 --> 01:11:37,520
clear that

1961
01:11:41,590 --> 01:11:40,719
he did not want to discuss it and

1962
01:11:44,870 --> 01:11:41,600
wouldn't

1963
01:11:48,630 --> 01:11:44,880
would absolutely said don't

1964
01:11:51,189 --> 01:11:48,640
say a word and continued walking as fast

1965
01:11:53,110 --> 01:11:51,199
as he could without you know running

1966
01:11:54,550 --> 01:11:53,120
and afterwards after they were you know

1967
01:11:56,950 --> 01:11:54,560
out of view of this thing

1968
01:11:58,950 --> 01:11:56,960
the guy i talked to does not want his

1969
01:12:00,790 --> 01:11:58,960
name used he actually

1970
01:12:04,790 --> 01:12:00,800
contacted me from the hospital on his

1971
01:12:07,990 --> 01:12:04,800
deathbed this is a deathbed confession

1972
01:12:08,709 --> 01:12:08,000
and asked him again you know what was

1973
01:12:10,709 --> 01:12:08,719
that thing

1974
01:12:11,990 --> 01:12:10,719
and his employer absolutely refused to

1975
01:12:14,070 --> 01:12:12,000
discuss it

1976
01:12:15,669 --> 01:12:14,080
and would not tell him what it was for

1977
01:12:18,149 --> 01:12:15,679
over a year

1978
01:12:19,830 --> 01:12:18,159
until the same employer calls the guy

1979
01:12:20,950 --> 01:12:19,840
interviewed back and says i have another

1980
01:12:22,390 --> 01:12:20,960
job for you

1981
01:12:24,550 --> 01:12:22,400
would you mind doing it i can't find

1982
01:12:26,550 --> 01:12:24,560
anybody else we need you bad

1983
01:12:28,310 --> 01:12:26,560
and the guy i talked to says no no i'm

1984
01:12:30,149 --> 01:12:28,320
not doing it i'm i'm not going to do it

1985
01:12:32,790 --> 01:12:30,159
unless you tell me what we saw

1986
01:12:34,790 --> 01:12:32,800
in that hangar the guy's like i can't

1987
01:12:37,110 --> 01:12:34,800
tell you he says and i can't help you

1988
01:12:38,470 --> 01:12:37,120
i'm not going to do it and so they got

1989
01:12:39,910 --> 01:12:38,480
into what he's called a

1990
01:12:43,189 --> 01:12:39,920
you know sort of a joking pissing

1991
01:12:44,550 --> 01:12:43,199
contest and after a few beers convinced

1992
01:12:47,990 --> 01:12:44,560
his employer

1993
01:12:51,590 --> 01:12:48,000
to tell him what they saw

1994
01:12:54,870 --> 01:12:51,600
and uh his employer said that what

1995
01:12:57,270 --> 01:12:54,880
he saw was part of the quote failed

1996
01:12:58,550 --> 01:12:57,280
star wars program or what would become

1997
01:13:02,070 --> 01:12:58,560
that

1998
01:13:05,990 --> 01:13:02,080
and uh said it was not a ufo

1999
01:13:07,830 --> 01:13:06,000
but it was a craft that had been built

2000
01:13:10,950 --> 01:13:07,840
by the u.s military

2001
01:13:14,310 --> 01:13:10,960
using reverse engineered

2002
01:13:17,510 --> 01:13:14,320
extraterrestrial technology and

2003
01:13:20,870 --> 01:13:17,520
that it was a craft that used magnetics

2004
01:13:24,310 --> 01:13:20,880
and gravitational waves to travel

2005
01:13:27,510 --> 01:13:24,320
how we described it was that there were

2006
01:13:29,110 --> 01:13:27,520
counter rotating magnetic fields that

2007
01:13:29,590 --> 01:13:29,120
were directed in such a way that it

2008
01:13:33,350 --> 01:13:29,600
caused

2009
01:13:35,110 --> 01:13:33,360
sort of a hole or a void to be projected

2010
01:13:38,950 --> 01:13:35,120
in the desired direction that they

2011
01:13:41,830 --> 01:13:38,960
wanted this craft to move

2012
01:13:43,830 --> 01:13:41,840
so uh yeah this is an interesting

2013
01:13:45,590 --> 01:13:43,840
whistleblower case

2014
01:13:47,510 --> 01:13:45,600
that when i thought it was tied to

2015
01:13:50,709 --> 01:13:47,520
edwards i'm like wow

2016
01:13:53,910 --> 01:13:50,719
uh right yeah so many things have

2017
01:13:55,910 --> 01:13:53,920
that's been like you said the the crux

2018
01:14:00,310 --> 01:13:55,920
of so many ufo stories

2019
01:14:01,669 --> 01:14:00,320
in particular amazing yeah it makes you

2020
01:14:03,350 --> 01:14:01,679
wonder just how many cases we haven't

2021
01:14:06,550 --> 01:14:03,360
heard about

2022
01:14:08,870 --> 01:14:06,560
exactly right um there

2023
01:14:10,470 --> 01:14:08,880
uh was a lot of people in chat were

2024
01:14:13,990 --> 01:14:10,480
mentioning something early on

2025
01:14:14,390 --> 01:14:14,000
in the chat about healing and is that is

2026
01:14:16,149 --> 01:14:14,400
that

2027
01:14:17,590 --> 01:14:16,159
one of those stories is in your book

2028
01:14:19,910 --> 01:14:17,600
right

2029
01:14:20,630 --> 01:14:19,920
yeah yeah i did write a complete book

2030
01:14:23,910 --> 01:14:20,640
about this

2031
01:14:24,550 --> 01:14:23,920
the healing power of ufos with 300 odd

2032
01:14:27,270 --> 01:14:24,560
cases

2033
01:14:29,110 --> 01:14:27,280
from all over the world yep this is

2034
01:14:32,310 --> 01:14:29,120
absolutely

2035
01:14:35,030 --> 01:14:32,320
uh primary e.t agenda

2036
01:14:36,310 --> 01:14:35,040
i'm not speculating here this is

2037
01:14:39,590 --> 01:14:36,320
absolutely backed up

2038
01:14:42,149 --> 01:14:39,600
by first-hand evidence uh

2039
01:14:44,310 --> 01:14:42,159
some really good hard evidence in fact

2040
01:14:46,630 --> 01:14:44,320
and i can say confidently that

2041
01:14:47,350 --> 01:14:46,640
pretty much i don't i won't say every

2042
01:14:50,470 --> 01:14:47,360
but most

2043
01:14:52,630 --> 01:14:50,480
major researchers have cases like these

2044
01:14:54,950 --> 01:14:52,640
seriously bud hopkins had cases i

2045
01:14:57,510 --> 01:14:54,960
cornered him at a conference

2046
01:15:01,030 --> 01:14:57,520
john mack of course talked about it uh

2047
01:15:04,550 --> 01:15:01,040
david jacobs by roland yvonne smith

2048
01:15:07,590 --> 01:15:04,560
edith fiori ray hernandez

2049
01:15:10,790 --> 01:15:07,600
they all have healing cases and uh

2050
01:15:14,070 --> 01:15:10,800
i still get cases coming my way

2051
01:15:16,149 --> 01:15:14,080
one case is in the book uh involving a

2052
01:15:19,110 --> 01:15:16,159
gentleman by the name of dudley

2053
01:15:21,030 --> 01:15:19,120
delaney he himself is a nurse and an

2054
01:15:24,149 --> 01:15:21,040
alternative healer

2055
01:15:25,590 --> 01:15:24,159
this was it didn't surprise me a bit

2056
01:15:27,189 --> 01:15:25,600
a lot of people who are being healed are

2057
01:15:29,270 --> 01:15:27,199
people who are doctors

2058
01:15:31,030 --> 01:15:29,280
they're teachers they're social rights

2059
01:15:31,910 --> 01:15:31,040
activists they're animal rights

2060
01:15:35,510 --> 01:15:31,920
activists

2061
01:15:37,189 --> 01:15:35,520
inventors artists or people who are

2062
01:15:38,790 --> 01:15:37,199
doing good work for humanity in some

2063
01:15:40,709 --> 01:15:38,800
capacity

2064
01:15:43,590 --> 01:15:40,719
so when he told me that he was a doctor

2065
01:15:46,149 --> 01:15:43,600
i'm like wow here's this pattern again

2066
01:15:47,350 --> 01:15:46,159
ufos do track families people get healed

2067
01:15:49,990 --> 01:15:47,360
or often

2068
01:15:50,470 --> 01:15:50,000
have a history of encounters but yeah

2069
01:15:52,470 --> 01:15:50,480
some

2070
01:15:53,590 --> 01:15:52,480
are i mean a lot of them are doctors

2071
01:15:56,310 --> 01:15:53,600
jacques valet

2072
01:15:58,630 --> 01:15:56,320
has a case involving a doctor he has

2073
01:16:01,830 --> 01:15:58,640
multiple cases by the way

2074
01:16:06,149 --> 01:16:01,840
but this case involving dudley delaney

2075
01:16:09,189 --> 01:16:06,159
uh he he's recently passed away

2076
01:16:11,189 --> 01:16:09,199
but uh excuse me

2077
01:16:12,709 --> 01:16:11,199
he was quite elderly when this case

2078
01:16:15,510 --> 01:16:12,719
occurred

2079
01:16:16,550 --> 01:16:15,520
um has some history of ufo encounters

2080
01:16:19,350 --> 01:16:16,560
not a lot

2081
01:16:20,950 --> 01:16:19,360
he had a weird incident as a kid he had

2082
01:16:22,149 --> 01:16:20,960
once had a beam of light come through

2083
01:16:24,470 --> 01:16:22,159
his

2084
01:16:25,910 --> 01:16:24,480
ceiling right i mean through the ceiling

2085
01:16:29,110 --> 01:16:25,920
the solid ceiling and

2086
01:16:32,790 --> 01:16:29,120
going around his bedroom but he was

2087
01:16:33,750 --> 01:16:32,800
in his late 70s when this weird incident

2088
01:16:36,229 --> 01:16:33,760
occurred

2089
01:16:38,630 --> 01:16:36,239
he was suffering from prostate problems

2090
01:16:40,630 --> 01:16:38,640
difficulty urinating and all the

2091
01:16:42,709 --> 01:16:40,640
you know symptoms that come along with a

2092
01:16:46,470 --> 01:16:42,719
swollen prostate

2093
01:16:48,390 --> 01:16:46,480
and woke up to find a figure in his room

2094
01:16:49,510 --> 01:16:48,400
next thing he knows he's not in his room

2095
01:16:52,390 --> 01:16:49,520
he's in this

2096
01:16:54,149 --> 01:16:52,400
other place presumably aboard a craft

2097
01:16:54,630 --> 01:16:54,159
because he gave that sort of description

2098
01:16:58,310 --> 01:16:54,640
i hear

2099
01:17:00,550 --> 01:16:58,320
quite a bit rounded walls very bright

2100
01:17:02,390 --> 01:17:00,560
said this figure did not look human had

2101
01:17:03,430 --> 01:17:02,400
what he described as sort of a misshapen

2102
01:17:05,510 --> 01:17:03,440
face

2103
01:17:07,270 --> 01:17:05,520
wasn't particularly attractive large

2104
01:17:09,430 --> 01:17:07,280
dark eyes

2105
01:17:10,310 --> 01:17:09,440
and uh he talked to it he's like who who

2106
01:17:13,350 --> 01:17:10,320
are you

2107
01:17:14,830 --> 01:17:13,360
he said my name is june i had the

2108
01:17:18,070 --> 01:17:14,840
impression this was a male

2109
01:17:19,990 --> 01:17:18,080
figure and had uh

2110
01:17:21,990 --> 01:17:20,000
dudley lie on his side in sort of a

2111
01:17:24,550 --> 01:17:22,000
curled up position

2112
01:17:25,510 --> 01:17:24,560
and proceeded to probe him give him you

2113
01:17:28,550 --> 01:17:25,520
know the

2114
01:17:32,149 --> 01:17:28,560
classic anal probe

2115
01:17:34,550 --> 01:17:32,159
told him that he had a tumor um

2116
01:17:35,990 --> 01:17:34,560
dudley was not aware of this uh he was

2117
01:17:37,830 --> 01:17:36,000
aware that he was having problems but

2118
01:17:40,470 --> 01:17:37,840
did not think there was a tumor

2119
01:17:41,030 --> 01:17:40,480
but this is what this figure told him

2120
01:17:43,430 --> 01:17:41,040
and

2121
01:17:44,229 --> 01:17:43,440
proceeded to you know insert this probe

2122
01:17:46,390 --> 01:17:44,239
at which point

2123
01:17:47,590 --> 01:17:46,400
you could feel energy coming from it

2124
01:17:50,630 --> 01:17:47,600
this sort of vibration

2125
01:17:52,709 --> 01:17:50,640
vibration and uh

2126
01:17:54,310 --> 01:17:52,719
he said it wasn't unpleasant it wasn't

2127
01:17:58,149 --> 01:17:54,320
painful it wasn't really

2128
01:17:59,590 --> 01:17:58,159
even scary just very very unusual uh he

2129
01:18:02,630 --> 01:17:59,600
felt a very friendly

2130
01:18:06,709 --> 01:18:02,640
benevolent sort of intention

2131
01:18:09,350 --> 01:18:06,719
from this e.t i'll call it an e.t

2132
01:18:10,229 --> 01:18:09,360
and it was actually a really brief

2133
01:18:12,390 --> 01:18:10,239
encounter

2134
01:18:14,149 --> 01:18:12,400
that's pretty much all he remembers

2135
01:18:17,350 --> 01:18:14,159
except waking up the next morning

2136
01:18:19,590 --> 01:18:17,360
feeling pretty good and uh

2137
01:18:22,470 --> 01:18:19,600
had no problems urinating after that his

2138
01:18:26,390 --> 01:18:22,480
problem his prostate problems subsided

2139
01:18:29,590 --> 01:18:26,400
uh very quickly and he never returned

2140
01:18:32,790 --> 01:18:29,600
so uh he believes that he was healed

2141
01:18:35,990 --> 01:18:32,800
wow that's a bizarre one and uh

2142
01:18:37,990 --> 01:18:36,000
yeah uh yeah why would they care

2143
01:18:39,510 --> 01:18:38,000
an elderly man i mean i think it's

2144
01:18:40,950 --> 01:18:39,520
because he's a doctor and was really

2145
01:18:43,430 --> 01:18:40,960
into alternative healing

2146
01:18:43,990 --> 01:18:43,440
which is something i hear quite a bit

2147
01:18:48,550 --> 01:18:44,000
and

2148
01:18:50,950 --> 01:18:48,560
he had some unusual encounters as a kid

2149
01:18:57,669 --> 01:18:50,960
also his this might be significant my

2150
01:19:04,709 --> 01:19:00,950
how about that um someone uh

2151
01:19:07,910 --> 01:19:04,719
this uh gentleman or person i can't

2152
01:19:08,390 --> 01:19:07,920
i don't understand the name i'm sorry uh

2153
01:19:10,790 --> 01:19:08,400
do you

2154
01:19:11,750 --> 01:19:10,800
ever look into a blood type pattern like

2155
01:19:14,070 --> 01:19:11,760
rh

2156
01:19:14,790 --> 01:19:14,080
you know negatives and stuff like that

2157
01:19:16,550 --> 01:19:14,800
for

2158
01:19:18,470 --> 01:19:16,560
these people do you ever ask that

2159
01:19:20,550 --> 01:19:18,480
question when you talk to someone

2160
01:19:21,990 --> 01:19:20,560
and they talk about it yeah yeah some

2161
01:19:24,470 --> 01:19:22,000
people do know their blood type

2162
01:19:25,510 --> 01:19:24,480
but a lot don't uh yeah so they can't

2163
01:19:28,149 --> 01:19:25,520
tell me

2164
01:19:29,750 --> 01:19:28,159
but i have not found a pattern there i

2165
01:19:30,709 --> 01:19:29,760
mean some people are like yeah i'm rh

2166
01:19:32,870 --> 01:19:30,719
negative and they're

2167
01:19:34,149 --> 01:19:32,880
like you know saying that could be a

2168
01:19:37,030 --> 01:19:34,159
factor and i think

2169
01:19:38,470 --> 01:19:37,040
possibly possibly it is but i have to

2170
01:19:39,990 --> 01:19:38,480
tell you i've talked to people from

2171
01:19:43,830 --> 01:19:40,000
all over the world of all different

2172
01:19:46,870 --> 01:19:43,840
races i mean pacific islanders

2173
01:19:50,310 --> 01:19:46,880
people who are you know latino uh

2174
01:19:53,189 --> 01:19:50,320
black uh asian

2175
01:19:53,750 --> 01:19:53,199
from across europe um all across the u.s

2176
01:19:58,550 --> 01:19:53,760
people

2177
01:20:00,709 --> 01:19:58,560
all different races which pretty much

2178
01:20:01,590 --> 01:20:00,719
shows that you know et's don't

2179
01:20:03,830 --> 01:20:01,600
discriminate

2180
01:20:04,790 --> 01:20:03,840
in that way i've i've even asked people

2181
01:20:07,189 --> 01:20:04,800
you know

2182
01:20:09,189 --> 01:20:07,199
what's your political affiliation you

2183
01:20:10,629 --> 01:20:09,199
know how old you know

2184
01:20:12,790 --> 01:20:10,639
it's evenly divided between men and

2185
01:20:14,629 --> 01:20:12,800
women in my own files

2186
01:20:16,950 --> 01:20:14,639
it's age is not a factor it's not

2187
01:20:19,590 --> 01:20:16,960
religion it's not political affiliation

2188
01:20:21,910 --> 01:20:19,600
the only factor i could find was

2189
01:20:24,070 --> 01:20:21,920
it does track families that is

2190
01:20:25,590 --> 01:20:24,080
absolutely for sure i'm going to say

2191
01:20:28,070 --> 01:20:25,600
over 50 percent of the people i've

2192
01:20:28,870 --> 01:20:28,080
talked to have a history of encounters

2193
01:20:30,950 --> 01:20:28,880
not only

2194
01:20:32,470 --> 01:20:30,960
with themselves but with some family

2195
01:20:35,910 --> 01:20:32,480
member whether it's

2196
01:20:38,629 --> 01:20:35,920
an uncle a parent a grandparent

2197
01:20:40,709 --> 01:20:38,639
often their children so that's

2198
01:20:42,550 --> 01:20:40,719
absolutely a factor and the only other

2199
01:20:45,270 --> 01:20:42,560
well sometimes if you live in a ufo hot

2200
01:20:47,110 --> 01:20:45,280
spot that can increase your chances

2201
01:20:49,030 --> 01:20:47,120
or if you're or if you're out you know

2202
01:20:49,750 --> 01:20:49,040
driving on a desert highway late at

2203
01:20:53,189 --> 01:20:49,760
night

2204
01:20:55,669 --> 01:20:53,199
um some people described what i would

2205
01:20:56,790 --> 01:20:55,679
call a one-off um just because i think

2206
01:20:58,870 --> 01:20:56,800
they were in the right place

2207
01:21:00,790 --> 01:20:58,880
at the right time one place however you

2208
01:21:01,669 --> 01:21:00,800
just go but other than that it's

2209
01:21:03,910 --> 01:21:01,679
profession

2210
01:21:05,189 --> 01:21:03,920
now like i mentioned earlier a lot of

2211
01:21:08,310 --> 01:21:05,199
police officers

2212
01:21:10,870 --> 01:21:08,320
a lot of doctors a lot of teachers

2213
01:21:12,550 --> 01:21:10,880
a lot of human rights activists it's

2214
01:21:13,510 --> 01:21:12,560
really quite astonishing how many times

2215
01:21:15,189 --> 01:21:13,520
i hear

2216
01:21:18,070 --> 01:21:15,199
you know social workers and this sort of

2217
01:21:20,550 --> 01:21:18,080
thing describing encounters

2218
01:21:22,550 --> 01:21:20,560
oh wow yeah i have a friend that's a

2219
01:21:24,310 --> 01:21:22,560
social worker that actually had

2220
01:21:25,910 --> 01:21:24,320
an encounter when she was younger not

2221
01:21:28,149 --> 01:21:25,920
during well

2222
01:21:29,030 --> 01:21:28,159
you know while she was a social worker

2223
01:21:32,550 --> 01:21:29,040
but

2224
01:21:34,709 --> 01:21:32,560
um yeah one lady what's that

2225
01:21:35,830 --> 01:21:34,719
real quick one lady contacted me from

2226
01:21:38,390 --> 01:21:35,840
norway

2227
01:21:39,750 --> 01:21:38,400
she had a one-off she had gray's come

2228
01:21:40,950 --> 01:21:39,760
into her house

2229
01:21:42,950 --> 01:21:40,960
flipped her around you know she was

2230
01:21:44,550 --> 01:21:42,960
sleeping flipped around put her in her

2231
01:21:46,149 --> 01:21:44,560
bed like a rag doll she said it was

2232
01:21:48,149 --> 01:21:46,159
really scary they weren't

2233
01:21:49,270 --> 01:21:48,159
answering any of her questions it was

2234
01:21:50,870 --> 01:21:49,280
quite frightening for her these were

2235
01:21:52,709 --> 01:21:50,880
just typical greys

2236
01:21:54,470 --> 01:21:52,719
put an instrument against her back she

2237
01:21:54,870 --> 01:21:54,480
could feel this energy pulsing through

2238
01:21:56,950 --> 01:21:54,880
her

2239
01:21:57,910 --> 01:21:56,960
and filed out through the wall and took

2240
01:22:00,950 --> 01:21:57,920
off

2241
01:22:03,030 --> 01:22:00,960
it was a one minute long encounter

2242
01:22:04,790 --> 01:22:03,040
and i'm like oh interesting she says you

2243
01:22:06,310 --> 01:22:04,800
know what they healed my back

2244
01:22:08,470 --> 01:22:06,320
she had suffered from a severe back

2245
01:22:10,149 --> 01:22:08,480
injury and they healed her i'm like wow

2246
01:22:11,910 --> 01:22:10,159
that's amazing what do you do for a

2247
01:22:14,709 --> 01:22:11,920
living she said well i'm a great

2248
01:22:17,030 --> 01:22:14,719
retired graphic artist but please don't

2249
01:22:19,910 --> 01:22:17,040
use my name because i'm very active

2250
01:22:20,870 --> 01:22:19,920
in my country doing animal rights

2251
01:22:23,430 --> 01:22:20,880
activists

2252
01:22:24,629 --> 01:22:23,440
like oop there's that pattern there it

2253
01:22:26,950 --> 01:22:24,639
is again

2254
01:22:28,310 --> 01:22:26,960
i'm telling you this i think speaks

2255
01:22:29,750 --> 01:22:28,320
towards their agenda

2256
01:22:31,830 --> 01:22:29,760
this is why i don't think they're you

2257
01:22:34,070 --> 01:22:31,840
know quote demonic or evil

2258
01:22:36,830 --> 01:22:34,080
one of many reasons actually because

2259
01:22:38,870 --> 01:22:36,840
they are helping people who are helping

2260
01:22:42,310 --> 01:22:38,880
others

2261
01:22:45,189 --> 01:22:42,320
um but you know you do hear some cases

2262
01:22:45,669 --> 01:22:45,199
where people think there's you know

2263
01:22:49,510 --> 01:22:45,679
something

2264
01:22:52,229 --> 01:22:49,520
not so good happens uh to them

2265
01:22:53,430 --> 01:22:52,239
you know encounters yeah there's a bell

2266
01:22:54,870 --> 01:22:53,440
curve for sure

2267
01:22:57,350 --> 01:22:54,880
i've interviewed people who are not

2268
01:22:58,709 --> 01:22:57,360
happy campers they wish this had never

2269
01:23:01,669 --> 01:22:58,719
happened to them they've suffered

2270
01:23:04,550 --> 01:23:01,679
injuries they've got ptsd

2271
01:23:05,110 --> 01:23:04,560
but more often they come you know people

2272
01:23:08,149 --> 01:23:05,120
will

2273
01:23:09,669 --> 01:23:08,159
sort of get over the fear and uh

2274
01:23:11,910 --> 01:23:09,679
start having really benevolent

2275
01:23:13,750 --> 01:23:11,920
encounters and most people

2276
01:23:15,590 --> 01:23:13,760
i would say lean towards the positive

2277
01:23:17,189 --> 01:23:15,600
side but no it's not all puppies and

2278
01:23:19,030 --> 01:23:17,199
rainbows by any means

2279
01:23:20,310 --> 01:23:19,040
it's a wide universe and some people do

2280
01:23:24,550 --> 01:23:20,320
have negative encounters

2281
01:23:27,030 --> 01:23:24,560
for sure i'm going to open the lines now

2282
01:23:28,070 --> 01:23:27,040
so um for those of you that would like

2283
01:23:30,870 --> 01:23:28,080
to

2284
01:23:32,790 --> 01:23:30,880
actually call in and ask our guest a

2285
01:23:35,669 --> 01:23:32,800
question that phone number

2286
01:23:35,990 --> 01:23:35,679
is eight five five four seven two five

2287
01:23:39,990 --> 01:23:36,000
four

2288
01:23:44,070 --> 01:23:40,000
eight three and uh i'd like to ask you

2289
01:23:47,110 --> 01:23:44,080
um preston you know going back to

2290
01:23:48,790 --> 01:23:47,120
the the couple that lost the seven month

2291
01:23:50,629 --> 01:23:48,800
old

2292
01:23:53,350 --> 01:23:50,639
um i don't know if you followed up with

2293
01:23:55,430 --> 01:23:53,360
them after that but i'm just wondering

2294
01:23:56,790 --> 01:23:55,440
if you know they think they encountered

2295
01:23:59,750 --> 01:23:56,800
something that night

2296
01:24:01,189 --> 01:23:59,760
have they ever tried anything like

2297
01:24:03,510 --> 01:24:01,199
regression

2298
01:24:05,030 --> 01:24:03,520
hypnotherapy and i know that's not

2299
01:24:06,790 --> 01:24:05,040
always the answer but

2300
01:24:08,149 --> 01:24:06,800
i'm just wondering have they tried to

2301
01:24:10,390 --> 01:24:08,159
attempt

2302
01:24:11,669 --> 01:24:10,400
to find out what occurred that night

2303
01:24:15,030 --> 01:24:11,679
that they didn't

2304
01:24:16,070 --> 01:24:15,040
they weren't aware of um no as far as i

2305
01:24:17,510 --> 01:24:16,080
know they haven't

2306
01:24:19,350 --> 01:24:17,520
i still do have their contact

2307
01:24:20,790 --> 01:24:19,360
information and i reached out to them

2308
01:24:22,550 --> 01:24:20,800
you know before the book was published

2309
01:24:23,430 --> 01:24:22,560
as i did with all the witnesses to see

2310
01:24:25,830 --> 01:24:23,440
if

2311
01:24:27,590 --> 01:24:25,840
there had been any development and they

2312
01:24:30,070 --> 01:24:27,600
did not respond

2313
01:24:31,350 --> 01:24:30,080
and i don't want to you know this is a

2314
01:24:34,070 --> 01:24:31,360
delicate thing for

2315
01:24:35,669 --> 01:24:34,080
witnesses um sometimes they just don't

2316
01:24:37,830 --> 01:24:35,679
want to talk about it even after giving

2317
01:24:39,430 --> 01:24:37,840
an interview

2318
01:24:42,550 --> 01:24:39,440
and they were very adamant about not

2319
01:24:45,270 --> 01:24:42,560
having their identity revealed

2320
01:24:46,390 --> 01:24:45,280
so i didn't wasn't able to follow up on

2321
01:24:47,990 --> 01:24:46,400
because i really wanted to know if they

2322
01:24:50,790 --> 01:24:48,000
you know ever had kids you know what

2323
01:24:52,229 --> 01:24:50,800
what happened after all of this right uh

2324
01:24:54,550 --> 01:24:52,239
right but as far as i know

2325
01:24:56,870 --> 01:24:54,560
just from you know researching sort of

2326
01:25:00,550 --> 01:24:56,880
circuitously they're they're fine

2327
01:25:02,390 --> 01:25:00,560
they're doing well uh i do remember

2328
01:25:03,990 --> 01:25:02,400
following this incident

2329
01:25:06,629 --> 01:25:04,000
he called me back the husband because

2330
01:25:08,550 --> 01:25:06,639
his wife was missing just gone

2331
01:25:09,990 --> 01:25:08,560
well i'm like and he was you know pretty

2332
01:25:11,430 --> 01:25:10,000
upset he's crying and he's like oh my

2333
01:25:11,990 --> 01:25:11,440
god i think the aliens took her i'm like

2334
01:25:15,830 --> 01:25:12,000
calm down

2335
01:25:16,310 --> 01:25:15,840
well we had a fight you know and she ran

2336
01:25:18,390 --> 01:25:16,320
out

2337
01:25:20,470 --> 01:25:18,400
you know she's gone she's missing i'm

2338
01:25:22,390 --> 01:25:20,480
like oh you had a fight okay well

2339
01:25:24,229 --> 01:25:22,400
you know let's not jump to conclusions

2340
01:25:26,229 --> 01:25:24,239
she may be just calling off

2341
01:25:27,510 --> 01:25:26,239
yeah that's right and uh he called me

2342
01:25:29,590 --> 01:25:27,520
back super

2343
01:25:31,110 --> 01:25:29,600
apologetics like i'm so sorry i'm so

2344
01:25:32,870 --> 01:25:31,120
embarrassed

2345
01:25:34,229 --> 01:25:32,880
well yeah after we retired what happened

2346
01:25:36,950 --> 01:25:34,239
to him or

2347
01:25:38,550 --> 01:25:36,960
you know seemingly happened to him i can

2348
01:25:39,669 --> 01:25:38,560
understand why that happened so we have

2349
01:25:41,830 --> 01:25:39,679
a couple callers

2350
01:25:44,950 --> 01:25:41,840
we have josh from north carolina on the

2351
01:25:47,270 --> 01:25:44,960
line josh welcome to the show

2352
01:25:48,470 --> 01:25:47,280
hi how's it going i'm really surprised i

2353
01:25:51,110 --> 01:25:48,480
got through

2354
01:25:53,669 --> 01:25:51,120
yeah hi welcome you gotta you got a

2355
01:25:58,790 --> 01:25:53,679
question for our guest tonight

2356
01:26:08,550 --> 01:26:04,470
uh my first name is josh

2357
01:26:12,070 --> 01:26:08,560
hi guys

2358
01:26:14,229 --> 01:26:12,080
go on hello oh sorry oh it's josh by the

2359
01:26:17,110 --> 01:26:14,239
way sorry

2360
01:26:18,709 --> 01:26:17,120
yes josh welcome to the show go on and

2361
01:26:21,510 --> 01:26:18,719
ask a question if you would

2362
01:26:22,470 --> 01:26:21,520
all right my my question is do you think

2363
01:26:26,629 --> 01:26:22,480
the

2364
01:26:28,709 --> 01:26:26,639
have been

2365
01:26:30,149 --> 01:26:28,719
a message that they were really trying

2366
01:26:33,430 --> 01:26:30,159
to send us like a warning

2367
01:26:35,189 --> 01:26:33,440
as to where we're you know

2368
01:26:37,590 --> 01:26:35,199
where we're at as humanity and the way

2369
01:26:39,590 --> 01:26:37,600
we're treating our planet

2370
01:26:41,990 --> 01:26:39,600
and my other following question is do

2371
01:26:44,149 --> 01:26:42,000
you think that it could possibly be

2372
01:26:45,030 --> 01:26:44,159
an off switch for us if we get to the

2373
01:26:48,550 --> 01:26:45,040
point where there's

2374
01:26:52,950 --> 01:26:51,270
um yeah thanks josh i i love these

2375
01:26:55,270 --> 01:26:52,960
questions the aerial case

2376
01:26:56,870 --> 01:26:55,280
i've looked into in depth as well as

2377
01:26:59,830 --> 01:26:56,880
other cases like it

2378
01:27:01,669 --> 01:26:59,840
and yeah that is a clear message i think

2379
01:27:04,550 --> 01:27:01,679
on one level it's sort of a

2380
01:27:06,149 --> 01:27:04,560
hey hello you know we're real but in

2381
01:27:09,430 --> 01:27:06,159
that case they did land

2382
01:27:11,910 --> 01:27:09,440
humanoids came out at least three

2383
01:27:13,430 --> 01:27:11,920
and uh did speak with a small group of

2384
01:27:15,830 --> 01:27:13,440
students telepathically

2385
01:27:17,270 --> 01:27:15,840
each of who received messages along the

2386
01:27:21,430 --> 01:27:17,280
same lines

2387
01:27:22,550 --> 01:27:21,440
mind you this is in 1994 in a very rural

2388
01:27:25,669 --> 01:27:22,560
area

2389
01:27:29,110 --> 01:27:25,679
to elementary age kids who were not

2390
01:27:31,750 --> 01:27:29,120
what i would call environmentalists uh

2391
01:27:34,709 --> 01:27:31,760
or had no no real idea of you know the

2392
01:27:36,709 --> 01:27:34,719
destruction we're doing to our planet

2393
01:27:38,629 --> 01:27:36,719
and that was what these messages said

2394
01:27:40,229 --> 01:27:38,639
emily trim she talked about how the

2395
01:27:43,430 --> 01:27:40,239
aliens told her

2396
01:27:46,070 --> 01:27:43,440
using imagery that we have become

2397
01:27:47,910 --> 01:27:46,080
far too technological that there's a

2398
01:27:50,070 --> 01:27:47,920
good way to use technology in a bad way

2399
01:27:53,030 --> 01:27:50,080
and we could do much better

2400
01:27:54,790 --> 01:27:53,040
another girl was told that uh we have to

2401
01:27:56,790 --> 01:27:54,800
stop cutting down our forests and that

2402
01:27:59,990 --> 01:27:56,800
if we destroy our forests

2403
01:28:01,430 --> 01:28:00,000
many many people will die there another

2404
01:28:03,110 --> 01:28:01,440
person was given warnings about

2405
01:28:05,270 --> 01:28:03,120
pollution

2406
01:28:06,790 --> 01:28:05,280
so these were all along the same lines

2407
01:28:08,310 --> 01:28:06,800
warnings about

2408
01:28:11,510 --> 01:28:08,320
our environment and how we're treating

2409
01:28:13,669 --> 01:28:11,520
our planet which doesn't surprise me

2410
01:28:15,270 --> 01:28:13,679
this turns up in other cases certainly

2411
01:28:17,669 --> 01:28:15,280
with contactees

2412
01:28:19,510 --> 01:28:17,679
this is the number one message it's not

2413
01:28:21,030 --> 01:28:19,520
just about nuclear proliferation but

2414
01:28:22,709 --> 01:28:21,040
definitely about pollution in our

2415
01:28:25,590 --> 01:28:22,719
war-like ways and

2416
01:28:27,030 --> 01:28:25,600
treating the environment so absolutely i

2417
01:28:29,510 --> 01:28:27,040
think they were trying to send

2418
01:28:30,310 --> 01:28:29,520
a message beyond just you know hello

2419
01:28:31,590 --> 01:28:30,320
we're real

2420
01:28:33,350 --> 01:28:31,600
which i think is what they're doing a

2421
01:28:35,189 --> 01:28:33,360
lot of these schoolyard cases but

2422
01:28:37,189 --> 01:28:35,199
in that case they're like absolutely

2423
01:28:38,709 --> 01:28:37,199
giving warnings

2424
01:28:42,070 --> 01:28:38,719
and uh yeah the second part of your

2425
01:28:44,470 --> 01:28:42,080
question was you know what happens if we

2426
01:28:47,270 --> 01:28:44,480
go too far into the destruction of our

2427
01:28:52,229 --> 01:28:50,149
i can only speculate but uh this has

2428
01:28:55,750 --> 01:28:52,239
certainly been the number one message

2429
01:28:57,750 --> 01:28:55,760
from every type of et starting from the

2430
01:28:58,870 --> 01:28:57,760
1950s onward

2431
01:29:00,790 --> 01:28:58,880
i mean whether you're talking about the

2432
01:29:03,510 --> 01:29:00,800
contact e era with

2433
01:29:06,470 --> 01:29:03,520
you know howard menger and george

2434
01:29:08,790 --> 01:29:06,480
adamski and truman bathroom and

2435
01:29:09,990 --> 01:29:08,800
orpheo angelucci and all these sort of

2436
01:29:13,030 --> 01:29:10,000
contactees who talked about

2437
01:29:15,669 --> 01:29:13,040
meeting human looking friendly et's

2438
01:29:17,990 --> 01:29:15,679
or people who met greys like betty

2439
01:29:20,149 --> 01:29:18,000
andreasen or whitley strieber

2440
01:29:22,070 --> 01:29:20,159
or praying manta cts or strange

2441
01:29:25,110 --> 01:29:22,080
humanoids of any kind

2442
01:29:28,550 --> 01:29:25,120
that is the number one message uh

2443
01:29:31,430 --> 01:29:28,560
is we are on a pathway towards an

2444
01:29:32,790 --> 01:29:31,440
existential crisis where there could be

2445
01:29:35,030 --> 01:29:32,800
very large loss

2446
01:29:36,470 --> 01:29:35,040
of life stephen greer talks about this

2447
01:29:39,510 --> 01:29:36,480
many researchers

2448
01:29:42,790 --> 01:29:39,520
have cases like these most

2449
01:29:45,669 --> 01:29:42,800
so i think that they at this point

2450
01:29:46,550 --> 01:29:45,679
are still the ets are acting in a very

2451
01:29:50,390 --> 01:29:46,560
lazy

2452
01:29:52,629 --> 01:29:50,400
fair kind of way helping as much as they

2453
01:29:55,030 --> 01:29:52,639
can without actually taking over

2454
01:29:57,030 --> 01:29:55,040
it's up to us to solve our own problems

2455
01:30:00,149 --> 01:29:57,040
if they were to come down and you know

2456
01:30:03,189 --> 01:30:00,159
lead for us that's not going to

2457
01:30:06,229 --> 01:30:05,189
handle ourselves how to solve our own

2458
01:30:07,510 --> 01:30:06,239
problems

2459
01:30:09,510 --> 01:30:07,520
so i think that's why they haven't

2460
01:30:12,070 --> 01:30:09,520
actually you know

2461
01:30:13,110 --> 01:30:12,080
stepped in but if it gets to the point

2462
01:30:15,750 --> 01:30:13,120
where

2463
01:30:16,470 --> 01:30:15,760
there's a nuclear exchange or something

2464
01:30:19,669 --> 01:30:16,480
or

2465
01:30:21,110 --> 01:30:19,679
there's bound to be huge loss of life on

2466
01:30:22,870 --> 01:30:21,120
our planet

2467
01:30:24,870 --> 01:30:22,880
it's my understanding and i've taught

2468
01:30:25,830 --> 01:30:24,880
heard this from a number of contactees

2469
01:30:29,590 --> 01:30:25,840
that they will

2470
01:30:32,310 --> 01:30:29,600
step in and will rescue people

2471
01:30:34,470 --> 01:30:32,320
and take them off planet and i have some

2472
01:30:35,990 --> 01:30:34,480
cases that speak towards this

2473
01:30:37,510 --> 01:30:36,000
yeah my last book on board you have

2474
01:30:39,189 --> 01:30:37,520
phone counters there was a volcanic

2475
01:30:41,590 --> 01:30:39,199
explosion

2476
01:30:43,990 --> 01:30:41,600
incident where people were apparently

2477
01:30:47,270 --> 01:30:44,000
rescued by ets

2478
01:30:48,709 --> 01:30:47,280
prior to the volcanic explosion so yeah

2479
01:30:49,669 --> 01:30:48,719
i think they will step in but i i

2480
01:30:51,669 --> 01:30:49,679
wouldn't count

2481
01:30:53,590 --> 01:30:51,679
too much on it we have to solve our own

2482
01:30:55,270 --> 01:30:53,600
problems

2483
01:30:57,430 --> 01:30:55,280
yeah we have to learn as the species get

2484
01:30:59,990 --> 01:30:57,440
us that's really

2485
01:31:01,350 --> 01:31:00,000
it's really fascinating to me and um i i

2486
01:31:03,669 --> 01:31:01,360
do think that they are

2487
01:31:04,790 --> 01:31:03,679
definitely trying to like you said not

2488
01:31:05,510 --> 01:31:04,800
interfere to the point where they're

2489
01:31:06,870 --> 01:31:05,520
taking over

2490
01:31:08,550 --> 01:31:06,880
but they're trying to just nudge us in

2491
01:31:10,550 --> 01:31:08,560
the right direction and hope you know

2492
01:31:12,470 --> 01:31:10,560
that that we get all right together

2493
01:31:13,590 --> 01:31:12,480
but um i personally didn't even believe

2494
01:31:15,270 --> 01:31:13,600
in this until

2495
01:31:16,790 --> 01:31:15,280
a few months ago to be honest until it

2496
01:31:17,910 --> 01:31:16,800
started getting running news and i went

2497
01:31:19,830 --> 01:31:17,920
back to it

2498
01:31:21,910 --> 01:31:19,840
incident i had at the cape fear river

2499
01:31:22,550 --> 01:31:21,920
where my best friend and i were fishing

2500
01:31:24,550 --> 01:31:22,560
and

2501
01:31:25,669 --> 01:31:24,560
we saw what we thought was a bright star

2502
01:31:27,189 --> 01:31:25,679
in the sky i

2503
01:31:29,830 --> 01:31:27,199
i assumed as a planet it stayed

2504
01:31:31,590 --> 01:31:29,840
stationary for 30 minutes and then it

2505
01:31:33,510 --> 01:31:31,600
curved and took off one direction didn't

2506
01:31:34,229 --> 01:31:33,520
about facing shut off in the blink of an

2507
01:31:36,870 --> 01:31:34,239
eye

2508
01:31:38,470 --> 01:31:36,880
and i immediately rationalized it or my

2509
01:31:40,550 --> 01:31:38,480
best friend you know asked if i saw it

2510
01:31:42,390 --> 01:31:40,560
and described exactly what i saw

2511
01:31:43,910 --> 01:31:42,400
um we never really spoke about it until

2512
01:31:46,070 --> 01:31:43,920
we were here recently but you know now

2513
01:31:47,590 --> 01:31:46,080
i'm 100 convinced that we saw something

2514
01:31:50,070 --> 01:31:47,600
out of this world

2515
01:31:51,830 --> 01:31:50,080
well i think i think in cases like that

2516
01:31:54,149 --> 01:31:51,840
they're showing themselves intentionally

2517
01:31:55,510 --> 01:31:54,159
i really do why else would it dart

2518
01:31:57,110 --> 01:31:55,520
around you know stay there for

2519
01:31:58,629 --> 01:31:57,120
such a long time and start putting on

2520
01:32:00,629 --> 01:31:58,639
this little show

2521
01:32:04,229 --> 01:32:00,639
they they want to be seen they're trying

2522
01:32:06,390 --> 01:32:04,239
to convince people bit by bit

2523
01:32:07,830 --> 01:32:06,400
excellent well hey josh thanks so much

2524
01:32:08,310 --> 01:32:07,840
for the call we got a few other people

2525
01:32:11,590 --> 01:32:08,320
lined up

2526
01:32:14,709 --> 01:32:11,600
i appreciate the call thank you

2527
01:32:15,510 --> 01:32:14,719
all right and next uh we have danny

2528
01:32:18,870 --> 01:32:15,520
calling from

2529
01:32:22,950 --> 01:32:18,880
ohio welcome to the show danny

2530
01:32:27,910 --> 01:32:24,629
yeah my name is danny i'm from ohio and

2531
01:32:33,350 --> 01:32:31,189
two part question um we all know

2532
01:32:35,510 --> 01:32:33,360
both of us has been wrongless forever

2533
01:32:39,030 --> 01:32:35,520
know that the government knows exactly

2534
01:32:42,470 --> 01:32:39,040
what crash where and who was in it

2535
01:32:44,470 --> 01:32:42,480
and all that now

2536
01:32:47,350 --> 01:32:44,480
sometimes during the end of the month

2537
01:32:49,270 --> 01:32:47,360
i'm having a report on a disclosure

2538
01:32:51,030 --> 01:32:49,280
are you do you think that they're gonna

2539
01:32:54,550 --> 01:32:51,040
are they gonna go over and play stupid

2540
01:32:56,470 --> 01:32:54,560
you know or are they

2541
01:32:57,990 --> 01:32:56,480
gonna you know fight are we gonna get

2542
01:33:00,229 --> 01:32:58,000
them back

2543
01:33:03,590 --> 01:33:00,239
and if so if we do get some facts how do

2544
01:33:05,590 --> 01:33:03,600
you think everybody's gonna take it

2545
01:33:07,669 --> 01:33:05,600
yeah um i think you're right they're

2546
01:33:09,350 --> 01:33:07,679
gonna roll over and play stupid

2547
01:33:11,189 --> 01:33:09,360
that's what i think they're probably

2548
01:33:13,030 --> 01:33:11,199
going to do is say yeah

2549
01:33:15,830 --> 01:33:13,040
there's something there but it could be

2550
01:33:19,430 --> 01:33:15,840
an artifact on the radar it could be

2551
01:33:21,590 --> 01:33:19,440
russian chinese we don't know what it is

2552
01:33:22,950 --> 01:33:21,600
is what i think they're going to say

2553
01:33:24,790 --> 01:33:22,960
which i think like you said is

2554
01:33:26,149 --> 01:33:24,800
completely disingenuous they know

2555
01:33:29,510 --> 01:33:26,159
they've known for

2556
01:33:31,750 --> 01:33:29,520
70 or 80 years at least they know

2557
01:33:33,189 --> 01:33:31,760
exactly what this is anyone with an

2558
01:33:36,229 --> 01:33:33,199
ounce of sense

2559
01:33:38,550 --> 01:33:36,239
can look into this in five minutes

2560
01:33:40,310 --> 01:33:38,560
and see that there's something to it and

2561
01:33:42,390 --> 01:33:40,320
what it is

2562
01:33:43,669 --> 01:33:42,400
so i think they do know i think if

2563
01:33:46,149 --> 01:33:43,679
they're smart

2564
01:33:47,990 --> 01:33:46,159
they will go a little bit farther and

2565
01:33:50,149 --> 01:33:48,000
use the a word call

2566
01:33:51,590 --> 01:33:50,159
say it aliens it's not that long of a

2567
01:33:54,950 --> 01:33:51,600
word it's not hard to pronounce

2568
01:33:57,350 --> 01:33:54,960
you can do it say it they know

2569
01:33:59,110 --> 01:33:57,360
um and if they don't do that i think

2570
01:34:03,189 --> 01:33:59,120
there's gonna be

2571
01:34:08,310 --> 01:34:06,390
you know ufo community and investigators

2572
01:34:09,990 --> 01:34:08,320
and society at large which is really

2573
01:34:13,189 --> 01:34:10,000
waking up to this

2574
01:34:16,790 --> 01:34:13,199
but also from government people within

2575
01:34:18,390 --> 01:34:16,800
this sort of cover-up community

2576
01:34:20,149 --> 01:34:18,400
and for that matter the et's themselves

2577
01:34:21,189 --> 01:34:20,159
who do appear to be pushing towards

2578
01:34:22,870 --> 01:34:21,199
disclosure

2579
01:34:25,110 --> 01:34:22,880
i think that's one of the fact one of

2580
01:34:28,229 --> 01:34:25,120
the driving forces behind disclosure

2581
01:34:30,550 --> 01:34:28,239
is the ets are showing themselves

2582
01:34:32,550 --> 01:34:30,560
in large numbers over and over again and

2583
01:34:35,430 --> 01:34:32,560
have been for decades

2584
01:34:37,110 --> 01:34:35,440
so it's to the government's benefit to

2585
01:34:39,189 --> 01:34:37,120
move a little farther then

2586
01:34:40,790 --> 01:34:39,199
we don't know what's going on and if

2587
01:34:43,270 --> 01:34:40,800
they don't they're gonna

2588
01:34:44,790 --> 01:34:43,280
they're gonna be regret it i seriously

2589
01:34:46,550 --> 01:34:44,800
think so

2590
01:34:48,950 --> 01:34:46,560
i think what they might do if they're

2591
01:34:50,950 --> 01:34:48,960
smart if they're smart that will show us

2592
01:34:52,470 --> 01:34:50,960
some real photographs

2593
01:34:54,629 --> 01:34:52,480
show us a piece of metal i think it

2594
01:34:56,870 --> 01:34:54,639
might go as far as that

2595
01:34:57,990 --> 01:34:56,880
but the end game is showing us the craft

2596
01:35:01,270 --> 01:34:58,000
showing us the bodies

2597
01:35:03,430 --> 01:35:01,280
and anything less will not turn society

2598
01:35:05,189 --> 01:35:03,440
into believers people will cling to

2599
01:35:06,550 --> 01:35:05,199
their skepticism

2600
01:35:07,990 --> 01:35:06,560
um i don't think there will be panic

2601
01:35:09,510 --> 01:35:08,000
though i think people will just take

2602
01:35:13,109 --> 01:35:09,520
this in stride

2603
01:35:13,590 --> 01:35:13,119
i agree no i don't either i think yeah i

2604
01:35:15,750 --> 01:35:13,600
think

2605
01:35:17,189 --> 01:35:15,760
yeah it may be a great new death

2606
01:35:21,270 --> 01:35:17,199
actually

2607
01:35:23,189 --> 01:35:21,280
humanity but i think the uh

2608
01:35:24,709 --> 01:35:23,199
the black ops projects and stuff like

2609
01:35:26,470 --> 01:35:24,719
that are controlled by the elite

2610
01:35:28,149 --> 01:35:26,480
and that's just too powerful a weapon

2611
01:35:31,669 --> 01:35:28,159
for them to let go of

2612
01:35:35,510 --> 01:35:31,679
you know what i mean it's a too powerful

2613
01:35:36,870 --> 01:35:35,520
weapon against us for them to let go of

2614
01:35:38,790 --> 01:35:36,880
i think they're going to try and hold on

2615
01:35:41,830 --> 01:35:38,800
to the

2616
01:35:42,790 --> 01:35:41,840
stronger they can that's my own personal

2617
01:35:46,790 --> 01:35:42,800
belief

2618
01:35:48,790 --> 01:35:46,800
but yeah government better disclose

2619
01:35:50,070 --> 01:35:48,800
they better or that otherwise the et's

2620
01:35:51,830 --> 01:35:50,080
will and if the government wants to

2621
01:35:54,950 --> 01:35:51,840
remain in control of this

2622
01:35:55,430 --> 01:35:54,960
uh you know the public's perception of

2623
01:35:57,510 --> 01:35:55,440
this

2624
01:35:59,750 --> 01:35:57,520
or have any control at all they better

2625
01:36:02,390 --> 01:35:59,760
do a good job with this

2626
01:36:03,030 --> 01:36:02,400
disclosure deal but i don't think they

2627
01:36:06,790 --> 01:36:03,040
will

2628
01:36:15,590 --> 01:36:06,800
i don't trust them i'm sorry i'm jaded

2629
01:36:21,830 --> 01:36:18,790
yeah hey danny thank you for the call

2630
01:36:22,149 --> 01:36:21,840
hey thank you so very much all right all

2631
01:36:25,430 --> 01:36:22,159
right

2632
01:36:28,629 --> 01:36:25,440
now we have uh jeff from indiana

2633
01:36:32,310 --> 01:36:28,639
jeff welcome to the show

2634
01:36:35,510 --> 01:36:32,320
thank you thank you hi there

2635
01:36:36,830 --> 01:36:35,520
uh yeah i'm on you're alive i've been

2636
01:36:40,790 --> 01:36:36,840
interested in this but uh

2637
01:36:42,550 --> 01:36:40,800
2012 july 3rd in the evenings first time

2638
01:36:45,270 --> 01:36:42,560
we ever had an encounter and i s we were

2639
01:36:47,350 --> 01:36:45,280
about 61 years old my wife and i

2640
01:36:48,629 --> 01:36:47,360
and we uh all of a sudden we were just

2641
01:36:49,510 --> 01:36:48,639
heading home from my daughters meeting

2642
01:36:52,229 --> 01:36:49,520
dinner in

2643
01:36:53,109 --> 01:36:52,239
rural indiana here couple of these

2644
01:36:55,270 --> 01:36:53,119
machines

2645
01:36:56,229 --> 01:36:55,280
appeared just kind of materialized like

2646
01:36:57,830 --> 01:36:56,239
they just came down out of the

2647
01:36:59,109 --> 01:36:57,840
stratosphere right above the house on

2648
01:37:00,709 --> 01:36:59,119
our right

2649
01:37:03,590 --> 01:37:00,719
we're going about 40 miles an hour down

2650
01:37:05,990 --> 01:37:03,600
the road and then they did in 90

2651
01:37:07,510 --> 01:37:06,000
after they materialized they were and

2652
01:37:09,350 --> 01:37:07,520
they were more or less the orange orbs

2653
01:37:12,149 --> 01:37:09,360
about the size of a

2654
01:37:14,149 --> 01:37:12,159
suv that we were riding in and they went

2655
01:37:15,510 --> 01:37:14,159
due north and we stopped

2656
01:37:17,189 --> 01:37:15,520
got out of the car and continued to

2657
01:37:20,790 --> 01:37:17,199
watch them go away

2658
01:37:22,629 --> 01:37:20,800
you know and then another one

2659
01:37:24,550 --> 01:37:22,639
came from behind us about two minutes

2660
01:37:26,629 --> 01:37:24,560
later and then another one and that come

2661
01:37:28,629 --> 01:37:26,639
right over the top of us

2662
01:37:30,229 --> 01:37:28,639
and there were two crafts now two and a

2663
01:37:33,270 --> 01:37:30,239
single in a single

2664
01:37:33,990 --> 01:37:33,280
and they were all identical all the

2665
01:37:36,310 --> 01:37:34,000
orange

2666
01:37:37,350 --> 01:37:36,320
ones the fourth one went right over the

2667
01:37:38,550 --> 01:37:37,360
top of us and you can see there's

2668
01:37:40,550 --> 01:37:38,560
appearance

2669
01:37:41,910 --> 01:37:40,560
engulfed in a plasma field an orange

2670
01:37:43,910 --> 01:37:41,920
plasma

2671
01:37:45,109 --> 01:37:43,920
and the fourth craft uh you could went

2672
01:37:46,310 --> 01:37:45,119
right over as you can see from

2673
01:37:48,229 --> 01:37:46,320
underneath

2674
01:37:50,550 --> 01:37:48,239
the plasma field wasn't as intense and

2675
01:37:54,229 --> 01:37:50,560
you can see the mechanics or the

2676
01:37:59,750 --> 01:37:54,239
structure of a machine inside and

2677
01:38:03,830 --> 01:38:02,470
after that happened this was in broad

2678
01:38:07,590 --> 01:38:03,840
daylight by the way too

2679
01:38:10,229 --> 01:38:07,600
broad daylight about 8 30 in the evening

2680
01:38:11,669 --> 01:38:10,239
and um we continued home you know and

2681
01:38:14,870 --> 01:38:11,679
told our friends blah blah blah

2682
01:38:16,870 --> 01:38:14,880
blah you know but and i was looking

2683
01:38:18,310 --> 01:38:16,880
quite a bit at night you know to see

2684
01:38:20,070 --> 01:38:18,320
what if you got interest you know it

2685
01:38:24,149 --> 01:38:20,080
really changes your life

2686
01:38:27,430 --> 01:38:24,159
and uh but what i found interesting was

2687
01:38:28,950 --> 01:38:27,440
i know it's gonna sound bizarre but uh

2688
01:38:30,390 --> 01:38:28,960
i came home one night by accident and

2689
01:38:30,950 --> 01:38:30,400
then just before i walked in the house i

2690
01:38:32,149 --> 01:38:30,960
opened it

2691
01:38:33,510 --> 01:38:32,159
before i went in the door i turned

2692
01:38:34,229 --> 01:38:33,520
around and said okay you guys out here

2693
01:38:36,229 --> 01:38:34,239
tonight

2694
01:38:38,709 --> 01:38:36,239
and one appeared when it wasn't the

2695
01:38:41,990 --> 01:38:38,719
orange ones it was the white ones

2696
01:38:45,510 --> 01:38:42,000
uh up probably about 700 feet

2697
01:38:46,070 --> 01:38:45,520
and i could do this over and over and

2698
01:38:49,270 --> 01:38:46,080
over

2699
01:38:52,229 --> 01:38:49,280
think about them and one would appear my

2700
01:38:54,390 --> 01:38:52,239
wife could also do the same thing

2701
01:38:56,149 --> 01:38:54,400
and we have no recollection of being

2702
01:38:58,229 --> 01:38:56,159
abducted nothing

2703
01:38:59,510 --> 01:38:58,239
i've never even had a dream about this

2704
01:39:02,310 --> 01:38:59,520
now you would think

2705
01:39:04,149 --> 01:39:02,320
a person would dream about something

2706
01:39:05,510 --> 01:39:04,159
that grabs you and changes your life

2707
01:39:06,070 --> 01:39:05,520
like that but i've never even had a

2708
01:39:10,629 --> 01:39:06,080
dream

2709
01:39:12,310 --> 01:39:10,639
about about a ufo uh since that time

2710
01:39:13,990 --> 01:39:12,320
but what i was wondering was they

2711
01:39:15,990 --> 01:39:14,000
obviously had an interest in my wife and

2712
01:39:18,709 --> 01:39:16,000
i

2713
01:39:20,070 --> 01:39:18,719
because they would appear when we would

2714
01:39:21,590 --> 01:39:20,080
think about them i've even done it

2715
01:39:25,109 --> 01:39:21,600
through the window of the house looking

2716
01:39:29,030 --> 01:39:28,390
but we have absolutely no not even bits

2717
01:39:31,030 --> 01:39:29,040
or pieces

2718
01:39:33,430 --> 01:39:31,040
over any marks or waking up in the

2719
01:39:35,990 --> 01:39:33,440
morning you know with any uh

2720
01:39:37,270 --> 01:39:36,000
any problems or anything like that what

2721
01:39:38,390 --> 01:39:37,280
do you think would be going on in our

2722
01:39:41,270 --> 01:39:38,400
case anything at all

2723
01:39:43,510 --> 01:39:41,280
or are they just i think they're just

2724
01:39:45,270 --> 01:39:43,520
constantly monitoring this planet 360. i

2725
01:39:46,310 --> 01:39:45,280
think the stratosphere of the sky has

2726
01:39:49,270 --> 01:39:46,320
fallen

2727
01:39:50,629 --> 01:39:49,280
full of them 24 7. because i've been

2728
01:39:52,950 --> 01:39:50,639
looking up and thinking about them and

2729
01:39:56,229 --> 01:39:52,960
one appears

2730
01:39:58,870 --> 01:39:56,239
yeah it's pretty remote you know

2731
01:40:00,310 --> 01:39:58,880
the sky is full of them and the second

2732
01:40:00,790 --> 01:40:00,320
thing it tells you is that they can read

2733
01:40:04,470 --> 01:40:00,800
their ma

2734
01:40:06,470 --> 01:40:04,480
read your mind and they

2735
01:40:09,350 --> 01:40:06,480
they always do the same thing they go

2736
01:40:10,950 --> 01:40:09,360
right over they go about 30 degrees off

2737
01:40:12,229 --> 01:40:10,960
the horizon in the opposite direction

2738
01:40:15,510 --> 01:40:12,239
they started

2739
01:40:18,070 --> 01:40:15,520
and they just flip out and i did that

2740
01:40:19,910 --> 01:40:18,080
over it became boring

2741
01:40:21,590 --> 01:40:19,920
i mean it doesn't mean anything it

2742
01:40:23,830 --> 01:40:21,600
doesn't prove anything

2743
01:40:25,270 --> 01:40:23,840
you know nothing ever landed if you know

2744
01:40:26,709 --> 01:40:25,280
the only way your government could prove

2745
01:40:28,390 --> 01:40:26,719
it to yourself

2746
01:40:29,910 --> 01:40:28,400
what you're dealing with if they landed

2747
01:40:33,430 --> 01:40:29,920
in your yard

2748
01:40:34,709 --> 01:40:33,440
open the door and said hey here we are

2749
01:40:36,310 --> 01:40:34,719
and here's what we look like and this is

2750
01:40:38,470 --> 01:40:36,320
what we want

2751
01:40:41,109 --> 01:40:38,480
but it just uh i got to the point where

2752
01:40:42,950 --> 01:40:41,119
it just became i don't even look anymore

2753
01:40:45,910 --> 01:40:42,960
uh last one i saw this last summer in

2754
01:40:47,510 --> 01:40:45,920
broad daylight came right over

2755
01:40:48,709 --> 01:40:47,520
uh then i didn't think about it then it

2756
01:40:50,470 --> 01:40:48,719
just happened you can tell them they

2757
01:40:52,870 --> 01:40:50,480
give themselves away immediately because

2758
01:40:55,669 --> 01:40:52,880
they're moving so slow

2759
01:40:56,870 --> 01:40:55,679
uh and it was just a white light in the

2760
01:40:58,229 --> 01:40:56,880
middle of the afternoon in broad

2761
01:40:59,910 --> 01:40:58,239
daylight

2762
01:41:01,510 --> 01:40:59,920
and uh they're moving so slow you know

2763
01:41:02,629 --> 01:41:01,520
an airplane has to maintain at least i

2764
01:41:04,070 --> 01:41:02,639
think 100 whatever

2765
01:41:05,750 --> 01:41:04,080
some miles an hour they'll fall out of

2766
01:41:06,229 --> 01:41:05,760
the sky there's no wings there's no tail

2767
01:41:08,950 --> 01:41:06,239
there's no

2768
01:41:10,310 --> 01:41:08,960
sound that's the most remarkable

2769
01:41:13,430 --> 01:41:10,320
grabbing thing

2770
01:41:14,950 --> 01:41:13,440
there's absolutely total silence

2771
01:41:16,950 --> 01:41:14,960
there's ones that went over us

2772
01:41:19,990 --> 01:41:16,960
originally the first four

2773
01:41:21,430 --> 01:41:20,000
that evening were probably 50 feet over

2774
01:41:22,629 --> 01:41:21,440
our heads i could have hit him with a

2775
01:41:25,189 --> 01:41:22,639
rock

2776
01:41:26,550 --> 01:41:25,199
and there's absolutely no sound

2777
01:41:28,870 --> 01:41:26,560
whatsoever

2778
01:41:31,350 --> 01:41:28,880
if we wouldn't have looked up or been

2779
01:41:33,750 --> 01:41:31,360
traveling we just was standing there

2780
01:41:35,590 --> 01:41:33,760
you would have never known it happened

2781
01:41:37,990 --> 01:41:35,600
and uh

2782
01:41:39,430 --> 01:41:38,000
yeah that's that's my story i don't know

2783
01:41:41,910 --> 01:41:39,440
what they want i don't know if they do

2784
01:41:43,189 --> 01:41:41,920
want anything with us but that's what

2785
01:41:45,510 --> 01:41:43,199
if you've heard the story before where

2786
01:41:48,390 --> 01:41:45,520
people can see them at will

2787
01:41:49,189 --> 01:41:48,400
yeah yeah i certainly have and uh when

2788
01:41:52,149 --> 01:41:49,199
someone has a

2789
01:41:52,550 --> 01:41:52,159
very close sighting like that 100 feet

2790
01:41:58,709 --> 01:41:52,560
away

2791
01:42:00,950 --> 01:41:58,719
this is something i look for when people

2792
01:42:03,430 --> 01:42:00,960
are having perhaps missing time

2793
01:42:04,390 --> 01:42:03,440
which can be seamless this people can

2794
01:42:06,950 --> 01:42:04,400
have missing time

2795
01:42:09,109 --> 01:42:06,960
and not know it and for that matter a

2796
01:42:11,350 --> 01:42:09,119
person can have an extensive encounter

2797
01:42:14,870 --> 01:42:11,360
and they will bring you right back

2798
01:42:16,950 --> 01:42:14,880
moments um with within moments

2799
01:42:18,709 --> 01:42:16,960
you can have a very long hour two hour

2800
01:42:20,950 --> 01:42:18,719
long encounter or even longer

2801
01:42:22,229 --> 01:42:20,960
and they will bring you back with the in

2802
01:42:23,590 --> 01:42:22,239
the minute that they took you

2803
01:42:25,590 --> 01:42:23,600
they have this way of sort of pulling

2804
01:42:27,030 --> 01:42:25,600
you out of the time stream

2805
01:42:29,109 --> 01:42:27,040
and i know how this may sound to

2806
01:42:31,270 --> 01:42:29,119
skeptics but this is for real

2807
01:42:32,950 --> 01:42:31,280
now when someone has a very close

2808
01:42:35,109 --> 01:42:32,960
sighting it's a

2809
01:42:36,870 --> 01:42:35,119
definite sign that there's something

2810
01:42:39,910 --> 01:42:36,880
going on there

2811
01:42:40,550 --> 01:42:39,920
and i've heard many people say exactly

2812
01:42:42,229 --> 01:42:40,560
what you're saying

2813
01:42:45,109 --> 01:42:42,239
following a really close encounter like

2814
01:42:48,229 --> 01:42:45,119
this they have repeated encounters

2815
01:42:50,149 --> 01:42:48,239
uh telepathic contact and

2816
01:42:52,070 --> 01:42:50,159
uh that's what it sounds like yeah it

2817
01:42:55,990 --> 01:42:52,080
sounds like they're doing with you

2818
01:42:57,910 --> 01:42:56,000
uh they're contacting a lot of people

2819
01:43:00,390 --> 01:42:57,920
they want people to know they're real

2820
01:43:03,430 --> 01:43:00,400
they want people to know they're here

2821
01:43:03,910 --> 01:43:03,440
this is something they're really pushing

2822
01:43:06,229 --> 01:43:03,920
forth

2823
01:43:09,510 --> 01:43:06,239
in their agenda i think this is sort of

2824
01:43:11,109 --> 01:43:09,520
a prelude to open official contact

2825
01:43:12,790 --> 01:43:11,119
so that if they show themselves to

2826
01:43:13,669 --> 01:43:12,800
enough people that when they actually

2827
01:43:16,470 --> 01:43:13,679
come in

2828
01:43:19,189 --> 01:43:16,480
large numbers land all over the world or

2829
01:43:22,390 --> 01:43:19,199
however they're going to do it

2830
01:43:25,189 --> 01:43:22,400
we will be better prepared

2831
01:43:25,990 --> 01:43:25,199
but yeah they are you hit it on the net

2832
01:43:29,270 --> 01:43:26,000
the head

2833
01:43:32,550 --> 01:43:29,280
they are very telepathic and you can't

2834
01:43:33,189 --> 01:43:32,560
call them i've never we've never had any

2835
01:43:38,070 --> 01:43:33,199
uh

2836
01:43:41,189 --> 01:43:38,080
not unusual to not have dreams

2837
01:43:43,430 --> 01:43:41,199
or any scars or anything it's not always

2838
01:43:45,830 --> 01:43:43,440
you know necessary for a person they

2839
01:43:47,669 --> 01:43:45,840
just want you to know they're real

2840
01:43:49,030 --> 01:43:47,679
uh it's very possible you have that

2841
01:43:50,470 --> 01:43:49,040
encounters but it's buried in your

2842
01:43:52,870 --> 01:43:50,480
subconscious

2843
01:43:55,030 --> 01:43:52,880
i wouldn't recommend hypnosis unless

2844
01:43:57,830 --> 01:43:55,040
you're having anxieties or you're

2845
01:43:59,669 --> 01:43:57,840
a clear-cut case of missing time but

2846
01:44:01,590 --> 01:43:59,679
what you might do

2847
01:44:03,350 --> 01:44:01,600
and this is just an experiment that you

2848
01:44:07,510 --> 01:44:03,360
might find interesting is

2849
01:44:09,830 --> 01:44:07,520
go out there and and ask to see them and

2850
01:44:11,109 --> 01:44:09,840
have them come a little closer because

2851
01:44:15,189 --> 01:44:11,119
they will

2852
01:44:16,950 --> 01:44:15,199
interact with you

2853
01:44:18,310 --> 01:44:16,960
uh this is something i've heard from

2854
01:44:19,590 --> 01:44:18,320
many people

2855
01:44:21,189 --> 01:44:19,600
and that'll be a little bit more

2856
01:44:22,550 --> 01:44:21,199
interesting than exciting but yeah it

2857
01:44:23,590 --> 01:44:22,560
does sound like you're having real

2858
01:44:25,270 --> 01:44:23,600
contact because

2859
01:44:27,750 --> 01:44:25,280
there are sort of three factors i look

2860
01:44:29,669 --> 01:44:27,760
for when someone describes the sighting

2861
01:44:31,350 --> 01:44:29,679
and that would be strange appearance

2862
01:44:34,470 --> 01:44:31,360
strange motion

2863
01:44:36,790 --> 01:44:34,480
and sound and uh that

2864
01:44:37,590 --> 01:44:36,800
if all of those three factors come into

2865
01:44:39,590 --> 01:44:37,600
play

2866
01:44:40,709 --> 01:44:39,600
and it's a very close-up sighting uh

2867
01:44:43,189 --> 01:44:40,719
that i think lends

2868
01:44:46,629 --> 01:44:43,199
credence towards that this being

2869
01:44:50,870 --> 01:44:48,790
i came to conclusion you know we told

2870
01:44:52,470 --> 01:44:50,880
friends and i talked about a lot of

2871
01:44:54,550 --> 01:44:52,480
people won't talk about it and

2872
01:44:56,629 --> 01:44:54,560
i'm the kind of person i have my own

2873
01:44:58,390 --> 01:44:56,639
business for 40 some years and

2874
01:44:59,910 --> 01:44:58,400
i'm an outgoing person and i don't care

2875
01:45:00,709 --> 01:44:59,920
if i see something i'm going to tell

2876
01:45:02,790 --> 01:45:00,719
people

2877
01:45:04,229 --> 01:45:02,800
and i said guess what folks these things

2878
01:45:05,750 --> 01:45:04,239
are real we saw him about we got about

2879
01:45:06,950 --> 01:45:05,760
as good a look at him as you can in

2880
01:45:08,870 --> 01:45:06,960
broad daylight

2881
01:45:10,310 --> 01:45:08,880
and i tell her friends or anybody i talk

2882
01:45:10,950 --> 01:45:10,320
to some police officers i know and

2883
01:45:13,990 --> 01:45:10,960
they've

2884
01:45:14,390 --> 01:45:14,000
seen some things and uh but uh and i've

2885
01:45:15,910 --> 01:45:14,400
told

2886
01:45:17,350 --> 01:45:15,920
relatives you know and they start

2887
01:45:18,470 --> 01:45:17,360
looking in the evening because they

2888
01:45:20,310 --> 01:45:18,480
believe me

2889
01:45:21,510 --> 01:45:20,320
and they go i never see anything and i

2890
01:45:24,149 --> 01:45:21,520
said well i'm going to tell you how

2891
01:45:25,590 --> 01:45:24,159
what i've come to conclusion the only

2892
01:45:26,390 --> 01:45:25,600
way you're going to see them is if they

2893
01:45:27,430 --> 01:45:26,400
want you to

2894
01:45:29,990 --> 01:45:27,440
because they don't have to show

2895
01:45:32,229 --> 01:45:30,000
themselves to anybody i said they decide

2896
01:45:34,070 --> 01:45:32,239
they want to show themselves to you and

2897
01:45:36,310 --> 01:45:34,080
when you go out to look

2898
01:45:37,750 --> 01:45:36,320
you'll see them because they're there 24

2899
01:45:38,790 --> 01:45:37,760
7 right above you

2900
01:45:42,470 --> 01:45:38,800
you don't have to go out in the middle

2901
01:45:47,830 --> 01:45:42,480
of the desert you don't have to go

2902
01:45:54,550 --> 01:45:51,350
thank you for the call jeff thank you

2903
01:45:56,790 --> 01:45:54,560
all right take care now we have a jake

2904
01:45:57,750 --> 01:45:56,800
uh from on the line from pennsylvania

2905
01:46:01,430 --> 01:45:57,760
welcome to the show

2906
01:46:02,390 --> 01:46:01,440
jake hey thank you um i have a question

2907
01:46:04,870 --> 01:46:02,400
do you think

2908
01:46:07,189 --> 01:46:04,880
there's any coincidence with the

2909
01:46:09,990 --> 01:46:07,199
government rolling out the space force

2910
01:46:11,590 --> 01:46:10,000
and then a few years later the the whole

2911
01:46:14,709 --> 01:46:11,600
uap phenomenon

2912
01:46:16,310 --> 01:46:14,719
um i'll take it off there thank you yeah

2913
01:46:18,070 --> 01:46:16,320
thanks for the call

2914
01:46:19,750 --> 01:46:18,080
yeah that's an interesting question jake

2915
01:46:21,669 --> 01:46:19,760
thanks uh

2916
01:46:23,510 --> 01:46:21,679
i i don't think it's a coincidence i

2917
01:46:24,950 --> 01:46:23,520
think the government

2918
01:46:26,709 --> 01:46:24,960
the secret government i'll call them has

2919
01:46:28,070 --> 01:46:26,719
sort of painted themselves into a corner

2920
01:46:30,790 --> 01:46:28,080
with this subject

2921
01:46:31,590 --> 01:46:30,800
there's been a decades-long policy of

2922
01:46:34,629 --> 01:46:31,600
denying

2923
01:46:36,070 --> 01:46:34,639
and lying and covering this up while at

2924
01:46:37,510 --> 01:46:36,080
the same time it's just mounting

2925
01:46:37,990 --> 01:46:37,520
mounting mounting and they're getting

2926
01:46:42,070 --> 01:46:38,000
deeper

2927
01:46:44,790 --> 01:46:42,080
at the point where they can't cover it

2928
01:46:47,109 --> 01:46:44,800
up the cover-up has been a disaster

2929
01:46:49,430 --> 01:46:47,119
it's like a dam you know a picture of

2930
01:46:52,229 --> 01:46:49,440
dam with one leak and then two leaks

2931
01:46:53,430 --> 01:46:52,239
and then 10 links and then 100 leaks now

2932
01:46:55,750 --> 01:46:53,440
they've got all their little fingers

2933
01:46:58,790 --> 01:46:55,760
over these leaks and it's impossible

2934
01:47:00,870 --> 01:46:58,800
that dam is about to collapse

2935
01:47:02,070 --> 01:47:00,880
and it's going to be a flood of

2936
01:47:04,470 --> 01:47:02,080
information

2937
01:47:06,149 --> 01:47:04,480
that's what we're seeing so i think

2938
01:47:08,790 --> 01:47:06,159
that's one of the reasons they are

2939
01:47:10,550 --> 01:47:08,800
sort of trying to prepare this is i

2940
01:47:13,189 --> 01:47:10,560
think one of the driving forces behind

2941
01:47:15,270 --> 01:47:13,199
organizing a space force the space force

2942
01:47:17,910 --> 01:47:15,280
is something i think that's inevitable

2943
01:47:18,790 --> 01:47:17,920
we started with the navy and we've just

2944
01:47:21,430 --> 01:47:18,800
continually

2945
01:47:22,229 --> 01:47:21,440
moved on i think it's part of the whole

2946
01:47:25,590 --> 01:47:22,239
control

2947
01:47:26,390 --> 01:47:25,600
factor too they've really been trying to

2948
01:47:28,149 --> 01:47:26,400
uh

2949
01:47:29,510 --> 01:47:28,159
i'm just i'm just not convinced our

2950
01:47:30,790 --> 01:47:29,520
government is acting in our best

2951
01:47:33,109 --> 01:47:30,800
interests

2952
01:47:34,149 --> 01:47:33,119
so i'm concerned about this and i'm

2953
01:47:37,270 --> 01:47:34,159
wondering you know what

2954
01:47:39,109 --> 01:47:37,280
if the space force is just more of the

2955
01:47:40,149 --> 01:47:39,119
greed and control and corruption and

2956
01:47:43,510 --> 01:47:40,159
trying to

2957
01:47:45,669 --> 01:47:43,520
you know spin this phenomena uh into

2958
01:47:47,750 --> 01:47:45,679
a quote threat and i think if you look

2959
01:47:48,870 --> 01:47:47,760
at this objectively i don't think it is

2960
01:47:51,830 --> 01:47:48,880
a threat i think this is

2961
01:47:52,709 --> 01:47:51,840
good news for humanity i really do again

2962
01:47:55,430 --> 01:47:52,719
i'm not saying it's

2963
01:47:57,350 --> 01:47:55,440
all friendly by any means but if they

2964
01:47:59,590 --> 01:47:57,360
really wanted to take over

2965
01:48:01,350 --> 01:47:59,600
this was truly a threat it would be no

2966
01:48:02,550 --> 01:48:01,360
problem for them to do so and we haven't

2967
01:48:04,229 --> 01:48:02,560
seen that

2968
01:48:06,790 --> 01:48:04,239
i don't think i don't think the

2969
01:48:09,990 --> 01:48:06,800
government is going to be able to see

2970
01:48:12,550 --> 01:48:10,000
technology that can't be explained as

2971
01:48:14,629 --> 01:48:12,560
anything other than a threat i think

2972
01:48:17,430 --> 01:48:14,639
that's where that'll hang right there

2973
01:48:19,590 --> 01:48:17,440
because if they can't explain how these

2974
01:48:22,950 --> 01:48:19,600
things can do what they do

2975
01:48:25,109 --> 01:48:22,960
then whoever else has it

2976
01:48:26,390 --> 01:48:25,119
would seem like a threat to the us

2977
01:48:29,990 --> 01:48:26,400
government i think

2978
01:48:31,669 --> 01:48:30,000
but uh anyway we have john from indiana

2979
01:48:33,830 --> 01:48:31,679
it's our last caller for the night john

2980
01:48:37,830 --> 01:48:33,840
welcome to the show

2981
01:48:41,750 --> 01:48:37,840
yes hello hi the question for preston

2982
01:48:43,590 --> 01:48:41,760
sure yeah i also wanted to share

2983
01:48:45,430 --> 01:48:43,600
an experience i thought it'd be a good

2984
01:48:47,510 --> 01:48:45,440
time to share my close encounter of the

2985
01:48:49,430 --> 01:48:47,520
first kind

2986
01:48:51,830 --> 01:48:49,440
which correlated with a few uh

2987
01:48:57,030 --> 01:48:51,840
synchronous events

2988
01:49:00,470 --> 01:48:57,040
uh november 2nd of last year 2020

2989
01:49:01,669 --> 01:49:00,480
i say a stone's throw and a half away

2990
01:49:04,550 --> 01:49:01,679
i probably could have hit it with a

2991
01:49:05,270 --> 01:49:04,560
baseball directly over my head was a

2992
01:49:09,189 --> 01:49:05,280
giant

2993
01:49:11,109 --> 01:49:09,199
um chevron shaped vehicle

2994
01:49:12,470 --> 01:49:11,119
to where i could see the craft in

2995
01:49:14,470 --> 01:49:12,480
between the lights

2996
01:49:17,109 --> 01:49:14,480
the last thing on my mind was to grab a

2997
01:49:18,709 --> 01:49:17,119
camera but i was able to run inside and

2998
01:49:21,669 --> 01:49:18,719
grab another witness

2999
01:49:25,109 --> 01:49:21,679
we watched this thing fly over after it

3000
01:49:27,510 --> 01:49:25,119
hung there for a few moments

3001
01:49:28,629 --> 01:49:27,520
the physical craft we saw i'll keep this

3002
01:49:31,669 --> 01:49:28,639
short

3003
01:49:33,109 --> 01:49:31,679
turned into uh the

3004
01:49:34,870 --> 01:49:33,119
separate lights i don't remember if

3005
01:49:36,070 --> 01:49:34,880
there were three or four on each side of

3006
01:49:40,149 --> 01:49:36,080
this v-shaped

3007
01:49:44,070 --> 01:49:43,270
this thing went from physical craft to

3008
01:49:47,589 --> 01:49:44,080
these lights

3009
01:49:50,790 --> 01:49:47,599
flying off and disconfiguring

3010
01:49:52,070 --> 01:49:50,800
and turning to separate lights so i

3011
01:49:53,990 --> 01:49:52,080
thought it was interesting the last

3012
01:49:55,189 --> 01:49:54,000
caller said the most amazing thing was

3013
01:49:57,510 --> 01:49:55,199
the silence

3014
01:49:59,350 --> 01:49:57,520
which that was amazing but in my case

3015
01:50:03,589 --> 01:49:59,360
the most amazing thing was the

3016
01:50:07,510 --> 01:50:03,599
uh nuts and bolts physical craft went

3017
01:50:10,149 --> 01:50:07,520
turned to light so my question was

3018
01:50:11,109 --> 01:50:10,159
is all the cases you've come across

3019
01:50:13,430 --> 01:50:11,119
preston

3020
01:50:15,109 --> 01:50:13,440
do you know of any um cases where they

3021
01:50:16,950 --> 01:50:15,119
describe the occupants of these

3022
01:50:21,189 --> 01:50:16,960
particular triangle

3023
01:50:25,109 --> 01:50:23,350
yeah yeah that's a great question which

3024
01:50:26,470 --> 01:50:25,119
i've been asked before and no i have not

3025
01:50:29,430 --> 01:50:26,480
been able to

3026
01:50:31,750 --> 01:50:29,440
sort of match the type of craft to the

3027
01:50:34,310 --> 01:50:31,760
type of ets

3028
01:50:35,830 --> 01:50:34,320
i do get mostly grays or some variation

3029
01:50:38,229 --> 01:50:35,840
of grays

3030
01:50:39,669 --> 01:50:38,239
i would say human looking after that and

3031
01:50:42,470 --> 01:50:39,679
praying mantis

3032
01:50:43,270 --> 01:50:42,480
and then strange humanoids of all types

3033
01:50:45,589 --> 01:50:43,280
but

3034
01:50:46,709 --> 01:50:45,599
i can't match it to the type of craft

3035
01:50:48,709 --> 01:50:46,719
there's an

3036
01:50:49,910 --> 01:50:48,719
incredible array of different types of

3037
01:50:55,430 --> 01:50:49,920
craft

3038
01:50:58,310 --> 01:50:55,440
there are cases out there uh however

3039
01:51:01,830 --> 01:50:58,320
this particular one is a little uh

3040
01:51:03,669 --> 01:51:01,840
difficult to find info on the occupants

3041
01:51:04,870 --> 01:51:03,679
yeah and i've heard that same thing too

3042
01:51:06,709 --> 01:51:04,880
that you're describing they'll turn

3043
01:51:09,270 --> 01:51:06,719
transparent they'll break apart

3044
01:51:10,310 --> 01:51:09,280
they'll release smaller craft they'll

3045
01:51:12,709 --> 01:51:10,320
multiply

3046
01:51:14,950 --> 01:51:12,719
they can do things that we would think

3047
01:51:15,750 --> 01:51:14,960
of as inter-dimensional and perhaps it

3048
01:51:17,910 --> 01:51:15,760
is

3049
01:51:20,550 --> 01:51:17,920
but i am absolutely convinced that these

3050
01:51:23,589 --> 01:51:20,560
are extraterrestrial

3051
01:51:28,070 --> 01:51:23,599
driving solid craft beings like us

3052
01:51:30,709 --> 01:51:29,350
john thank you for the call i'm gonna

3053
01:51:32,390 --> 01:51:30,719
have to cut this short we're running out

3054
01:51:35,669 --> 01:51:32,400
of time and i didn't realize there was

3055
01:51:40,390 --> 01:51:35,679
one other caller uh waiting on hold

3056
01:51:44,550 --> 01:51:42,470
now right now we have bonnie from

3057
01:51:48,310 --> 01:51:44,560
minnesota on the line barney

3058
01:51:51,669 --> 01:51:48,320
welcome to the show hi hi hi buddy

3059
01:51:55,510 --> 01:51:51,679
hey okay so

3060
01:51:55,520 --> 01:52:01,430
so we're bathing talking to you um

3061
01:52:06,149 --> 01:52:04,070
when i was a kid and it could have all

3062
01:52:08,310 --> 01:52:06,159
been my imagination because i was like

3063
01:52:13,270 --> 01:52:08,320
nine

3064
01:52:18,550 --> 01:52:13,280
and i had older a decade older

3065
01:52:26,390 --> 01:52:18,560
how to meditate so i'm in my bedroom

3066
01:52:33,189 --> 01:52:31,350
and um

3067
01:52:35,030 --> 01:52:33,199
um i just thought that they were like

3068
01:52:36,950 --> 01:52:35,040
time suffers because

3069
01:52:39,189 --> 01:52:36,960
i just walked up to them i started

3070
01:52:40,870 --> 01:52:39,199
talking to them only one of them spoke

3071
01:52:43,669 --> 01:52:40,880
with me

3072
01:52:45,109 --> 01:52:43,679
normal people died and thought were

3073
01:52:48,229 --> 01:52:45,119
scientists

3074
01:52:55,030 --> 01:52:51,830
um anyways they asked my name and

3075
01:53:01,830 --> 01:52:55,040
and he asked how old i was and then

3076
01:53:01,840 --> 01:53:08,790
and i wouldn't

3077
01:53:14,390 --> 01:53:12,149
hey bonnie

3078
01:53:15,990 --> 01:53:14,400
hi pardon me i'm sorry to have to do

3079
01:53:16,310 --> 01:53:16,000
this to you but your your phone line

3080
01:53:19,750 --> 01:53:16,320
your

3081
01:53:21,750 --> 01:53:19,760
we're

3082
01:53:22,790 --> 01:53:21,760
right at the end of our show anyway but

3083
01:53:25,589 --> 01:53:22,800
i'm really sorry

3084
01:53:28,470 --> 01:53:25,599
i encourage i i encourage you to call

3085
01:53:32,149 --> 01:53:31,350
all right all right so uh preston so

3086
01:53:35,510 --> 01:53:32,159
thank you

3087
01:53:37,669 --> 01:53:35,520
so much uh for for being on our show

3088
01:53:39,430 --> 01:53:37,679
today i really appreciate it

3089
01:53:42,070 --> 01:53:39,440
hey my pleasure thanks for having me

3090
01:53:45,109 --> 01:53:42,080
yeah it was fun

3091
01:53:46,870 --> 01:53:45,119
just quickly we have a minute left here

3092
01:53:49,750 --> 01:53:46,880
the upcoming thing you're working on you

3093
01:53:52,709 --> 01:53:49,760
must have another book in the works

3094
01:53:53,510 --> 01:53:52,719
i do you know it yeah i'm gonna be

3095
01:53:55,589 --> 01:53:53,520
amazing

3096
01:53:57,750 --> 01:53:55,599
about one lady's story who's having full

3097
01:53:59,189 --> 01:53:57,760
unconscious contact

3098
01:54:00,870 --> 01:53:59,199
it's really quite incredible she's an

3099
01:54:03,109 --> 01:54:00,880
amazing woman

3100
01:54:04,709 --> 01:54:03,119
excellent all right well uh preston's

3101
01:54:07,430 --> 01:54:04,719
book is called wondrous

3102
01:54:07,990 --> 01:54:07,440
and you can get that on amazon it's also

3103
01:54:09,990 --> 01:54:08,000
in the show

3104
01:54:12,070 --> 01:54:10,000
notes and we'll be in the text on

3105
01:54:12,950 --> 01:54:12,080
youtube it's etc thank you so much

3106
01:54:15,750 --> 01:54:12,960
preston

3107
01:54:16,550 --> 01:54:15,760
uh great as always hey always a pleasure

3108
01:54:19,430 --> 01:54:16,560
thank you

3109
01:54:21,510 --> 01:54:19,440
all right take care all right everyone

3110
01:54:25,109 --> 01:54:21,520
so we'll be back next week

3111
01:54:26,390 --> 01:54:25,119
with a zen benfanel and uh don't forget

3112
01:54:29,589 --> 01:54:26,400
to tune in on

3113
01:54:30,470 --> 01:54:29,599
july 6. we're going to be up in the

3114
01:54:32,390 --> 01:54:30,480
berkshires

3115
01:54:34,629 --> 01:54:32,400
and you don't want to miss that one so

3116
01:54:37,750 --> 01:54:34,639
thank you very much everyone

3117
01:54:50,490 --> 01:54:37,760
and remember to keep your eyes

3118
01:54:57,250 --> 01:54:50,500
to the sky